Aibu to feel a little miffed (re 'vaccine passports')

[NotPennysBoat]

I'm a healthy 40yo with young children. Elderly but otherwise healthy parents, no otherwise vulnerable close family members. We've spent the last 11 months following all the guidelines and putting our lives on hold, my kids have lost many months of education and we have struggled financially. All for the greater good and happy to do that (mostly).

Now the vulnerable groups are being vaccinated (yay!), and I'm reading about vaccine passports to enable them more freedoms and the ability to travel abroad.

AIBU to be feeling miffed that for all the sacrifices the non-vulnerable have made for others, we are now being penalised again while the elderly and vulnerable we've been protecting are booking their summer holidays??

Haha, LOVE these threads! So many of them.
A million people could tell the OP that lockdowns were done to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. To give the NHS a chance to continue treating everyone.
A million people, news outlets and politicians could tell her that everyday for a year.
But, oh no, she hears that it was done to stop 85-year old Joan from Scunthorpe from dying 'prematurely'. Now Joan has the temerity to book a Saga coach holiday for July and OP is 'fumin'. 😁

@DianaT1969

it was to protect the NHS, but let's not kid ourselves as to what group of people probably uses those services the most.

IFS figures show that around 10% of the overall NHS budget is spent on the over 85s while 45% of the budget - the largest percentage - goes on those aged 30-64 and the remaining percentages are split across the under 18s, 18-30, and 65-85 age groups.

40 year olds screeching about life not being faaaaaaaaaaaair

@TwirpingBird

It's all over sky news. It's not fake.

And its not ageism. I am jealous of anyone getting on a plane this year, old or young. I have no shame admitting I am jealous to my core. I miss my parents so much it hurts. They havent seen my children. I have been pregnant, gave birth, and managed a 2 year old and a newborn with my parents in a different country during a pandemic. I am so lonely I am a shell of a person. I want to go HOME.

So you can F off with your judgement. You clearly are lucky enough not to be in my position.

I'll judge ageist ignorance. And "all over Sky news" doesn't make it true. Try reading what's really been said (more intelligent posters upthread have explained)

I'm "lucky enough" to have watched my mother's funeral via webcast because of travel restrictions. So, frankly, walking to the park with my kids kind of pales.

Surely the more upsetting thing is the potential existence of vaccine passports full stop.

@Steamedhams

Surely the more upsetting thing is the potential existence of vaccine passports full stop.

Quite.

Well 100k of them have died, many hundreds of thousands more hospitalised for weeks on end, so it hasn’t exactly been a jolly ride

Surely the more upsetting thing is the potential existence of vaccine passports full stop

Give it a few months and "Smiffy down the pub" will be providing knock-off ones in exchange for a sleeve of Lamberts and twenty quid.

Yes you are being a bit of a tit.

I've got mixed feelings about global travel. However I know a lot of people who work in the travel industry and haven't been able to find other jobs. So the revenue is needed.

I think everything should stay shut unless the schools can open and stay open.

On another note, we've locked down so the virus hasn't ran around the population mutating. One of those mutations might just make children vulnerable, or make it a level playing field and the human race would be fucked. As it is we've concentrated on containment and vaccines. The work done means that we will be on top of the coming mutations (hopefully).

We are attacking individuals but saying nothing about the governments who allowed the virus to come into being and those whose inactions are allowing mutations. Why no anger at those who've indulged in non essential travel this December, or is the age of the 'perpetrator' the key factor?

@pigsDOfly sorry I was agreeing with you! Worded badly

@DianaT1969 😂😂 absolutely ragin!!!!

Most of the people I know who've had vaccines so far are just relieved that they're less likely to die - they're not booking holidays abroad. I can see a future where some types of holidays do require proof of vaccinations - such as cruises for older people - but given most airlines and holiday companies rely on bookings from people of all ages, they'll be pressing for some other sort of system for this interim period before everyone is vaccinated - they won't survive otherwise.

Well it's a big deal to me. It's all I care about. So it doesnt matter if you decide it's not worthy of being upset about. You arent the baseline for misery. We are all entitled, you included, to want to be with our family. Showing malice towards me because you think you beat me on the misery scale doesnt achieve anything. You are just pitting yourself against the world, showing you lack sympathy for anyone else, when in reality you should understand the desperate pull to be with the ones you love.

@TwirpingBird, how would you like judgement, resentment and condemnation directed at you for getting pregnant during a pandemic?

Whenever I read these threads it always appears that what people are basically saying is fuck elderly people, fuck vulnerable people, and fuck the disabled. Let's lock them all up so that us young and healthy people can get on with life as if the elderly, vulnerable, and/or disabled aren't also deserving of being able to get on with life. That's your two tier society right there and sadly is an attitude that is all too common.

Totally agree OP.

And all the posters saying we were protecting the NHS not the vulnerable, thats not quite true is it. Because the vast majority of young healthy adults and children aren’t going to end up in hospital with covid so they were never going to put a strain on the NHS or be waiting for a bed on an full covid unit. Plus they are unlikely to end up in hospital for other reasons. So we were protecting the elderly and vulnerable and their access to the NHS.
FWIW I think we should protect the elderly and vulnerable but let’s not pretend we were protecting everyone.

I'm pretty sure the vulnerable made as many if not more sacrifices as well as a hell of a lot of anxiety so I wouldnt begrudge them travelling. Though i understood that vaccinated people can still be contagious so weren't allowed to travel at the moment anyway. And it's not set in stone yet. I think travel companies will be so desperate to survive they wont want to alienate their customer base by saying that they can't travel without a vaccine that they're not yet allowed to have

Vaccine passports already exist for diseases like yellow fever.

Why do some people believe they have some sort of moral authority to prevent other countries from controling their own borders?

We're lucky that to be born with a british passport we can normally holiday most places without jumping through too many hoops, but it's very lucky and shouldn't be taken for granted.

Maybe Tenerife doesn't want your nasty covid coming to infect its locals and fuck up its tourist industry, and maybe that's their choice to make.

[quote Ponoka7]@TwirpingBird, how would you like judgement, resentment and condemnation directed at you for getting pregnant during a pandemic?[/quote]
I was 6 weeks pregnant when we went into lockdown.

Also, FYI, I dont hate or condemn or hate anyone going on holiday. I would be the first person on a plane home if I could. I am just ragingly jealous of anyone who gets to get on a plane. I will admit my jealously. It's not hatred against a person for taking the opportunity I so desperately want, its desire to go home.

@QueenPawPaws Ah okay.

I had to read what I'd written over again to see if it made sense. It wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility that it might not

YANBU to be disappointed and frustrated, but I’m not sure there’s an alternative. The vaccine roll out is world leading, I’m not sure they can go any faster

My understanding though was that even if you had received both your vaccines, you can't go anywhere at the minute in case you catch and bring back a new strain.

I would imagine that having been bitten quite badly by this before, the UK will be in no rush to open up borders. Therefore I don't think there will be much international travel allowed until latter half of the year and even then I imagine it will require costly covid tests at either end.

So I do think by the time we are allowed to travel all 18+ will have had the vaccine.

This pandemic really is bringing out the worst in people.