To think a sitting Labour MP should operate in line with their manifesto

[HermioneWeasley]

Leeds Labour MP has confirmed he doesn’t think women should have any sex segregated spaces (despite the commitment in the last manifesto), and that anyone who disagrees is a bigot.

If you vote for a party, shouldn’t you be able to rely on your MP abiding by manifesto commitments?

Also, what kind of woman hating psychopath thinks that refuges and prisons should be mixed sex?

This seemed appropriate.

I absolutely agree with the fact that we should have sex segregated areas such as toilets/changing rooms/prisons etc. I have endometriosis and the way I flood and pass clots means I would be really uncomfortable dealing with that in front of people who were born as the make sex.

There is a bit of double standards though - in maternity wards, after my first child was born and I was a young, lone parent trying to establish breastfeeding and feeling horrendous and vulnerable after a 3 day induction and flashbacks from a rape after all the examinations, I had to endure husband's and boyfriends traipsing past my bed. This is seen as 'acceptable' isn't it?

@HighlightedTrees

I absolutely agree with the fact that we should have sex segregated areas such as toilets/changing rooms/prisons etc. I have endometriosis and the way I flood and pass clots means I would be really uncomfortable dealing with that in front of people who were born as the make sex.

There is a bit of double standards though - in maternity wards, after my first child was born and I was a young, lone parent trying to establish breastfeeding and feeling horrendous and vulnerable after a 3 day induction and flashbacks from a rape after all the examinations, I had to endure husband's and boyfriends traipsing past my bed. This is seen as 'acceptable' isn't it?

Yes because they are the partners of other women in there.

In an NHS hospital your only privacy is generally the pull around curtains.

n maternity wards, after my first child was born and I was a young, lone parent trying to establish breastfeeding and feeling horrendous and vulnerable after a 3 day induction and flashbacks from a rape after all the examinations, I had to endure husband's and boyfriends traipsing past my bed. This is seen as 'acceptable' isn't it?

It's certainly seen as just one of those things that's a woman's lot when giving birth in hospital.

It's very evident from posts like yours and they're found frequently, in large numbers, all over MN, what a high percentage of women had a horrible, distressing time because of it that they remember with clarity and are still upset and in some cases traumatised by.

It just demonstrates, many female people need privacy, are distressed, stressed and alarmed by invasions of it and have many bad memories because of it, and how this is something female people are supposed to just get on with.

No, it's not ok.

There is a bit of double standards though - in maternity wards, after my first child was born and I was a young, lone parent trying to establish breastfeeding and feeling horrendous and vulnerable after a 3 day induction and flashbacks from a rape after all the examinations, I had to endure husband's and boyfriends traipsing past my bed. This is seen as 'acceptable' isn't it

The issue is most hospitals maternity wards are old with little space or enough staff. It's shit that men are there for some women but a godsend for those who need their partners.

Our maternity unit is all individual rooms with ensuite shower/toilet, still noisy as hell though. Hopefully in future they will all be the same.

Yes because they are the partners of other women in there

That doesn’t give them an inherent right to be in single sex spaces.

@parallax80

Yes because they are the partners of other women in there

That doesn’t give them an inherent right to be in single sex spaces.

A maternity ward is not a single sex space...I certainly wouldn't have wanted my DH to not be allowed to be with me.

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Never done it before.... previously a labour party member. Voted labour in the last election and a mix of labour and green in the last local... But mixed sexed everything?!

Just the lack of thinking and contempt for those that question it makes me wonder how they'd manage other decisions.

Any party or politician should have more to recommend it than 'we're not the other guy'. Policies, for example.

Last election, the main thing it seemed anyone had to say about Johnson was "But he's not Corbyn", and look how that turned out for the country.

20:51dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby

The question put to him was.

'Do you agree that there should be sex-segregated facilities for women in hospitals, schools, refuges and prisons?'

He said no. A one word answer.

I don't understand the 'tweaking' comment.

Yes because they are the partners of other women in there.

Yes, not everyone agrees with you that men should be on women's wards overnight.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Yes because they are the partners of other women in there.

Yes, not everyone agrees with you that men should be on women's wards overnight.

I wouldn't expect male partners (men) to be there overnight unless in the actual delivery room. But I certainly don't think it is doing the majority of women any favours to go back to the type of maternity experiences my own Mum had in 1960s where the men weren't allowed in for any of it. Midwives are not such caring souls that I would want to be left alone at their mercy with no support person to advocate for me should I be unable to.

Just catching up

About peeing with the door open

I took this before lockdown when I went out for a meal with DH

The bogs were obviously the old ladies with a changed sign

Gaps over the cubicles, under, and at the front of the doors

When I came out a man was washing his hands. He looked a bit taken aback. I smiled (female socialisation). He did not. The vibes I got off him were not good. Unhappy. Unfriendly. WTF is she doing in here.

And no I can't read his mind but I've been in enough situations to tell when a bloke is emanating mild aggression.

Anyway this was the sign

I wouldn't expect male partners (men) to be there overnight unless in the actual delivery room.

Fair enough, I didn't know that you meant that.

@NiceGerbil

20:51dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby

The question put to him was.

'Do you agree that there should be sex-segregated facilities for women in hospitals, schools, refuges and prisons?'

He said no. A one word answer.

I don't understand the 'tweaking' comment.

It is quite problematic to rephrase as we maybe want different things but given the shortage of bed spaces in the NHS I am not sure it is practical to have 'Men's Surgical' and 'Women's Surgical' wards anymore. But wouldn't it be better if everyone had a private room like in other countries rather than a bed on a shared ward with curtains?

Maybe 'Do you agree there should be sex-segregated toilet and changing facilities for women in schools and hospitals; and that domestic violence refuges and prisons should be totally sex-segregated?

HighlightedTrees and others

Not sure why this is being sidetracked into post natal wards

Having partners overnight is a recent thing

There have been a million threads on it

I suggest we don't get veered off into discussing that. It's a total diversion from the topic.

Which is that this labour bloke, a shadow minister I think? (Correct me if I'm wrong).

When asked

'Do you agree that there should be sex-segregated facilities for women in hospitals, schools, refuges and prisons?''

Said no.

We can talk about toilets, post natal wards etc another time.

The question put to him was much broader. And was not about trans identifying people, but about mixed sex full stop.

The main argument that makes even 'woke-tending' people fathom the injustice of it all' is the mixed sports situation and that is not included in this question?

'The question put to him was much broader. And was not about trans identifying people, but about mixed sex full stop.'

Yes true.

Also voting is kind of.. by the bye.

I would recommend anyone engaged, when it comes to voting. Write to the candidates/ ask the doorsteppers what the candidate thinks about this stuff.

I'm in a safe Tory seat. I wrote to the female mp once about abortion and got a good reply that made sense.

There has been an argument that women (on the whole) have an understanding/ interest in women's issues that men just don't. Yes some women are areseholes but no worse than the men.

What would an all female parliament with a conservative majority but only just, do? I have no idea.

Anyway. This party political stuff doesn't work any more. There's no point in arguing labour Tory etc.

If women and girls are your number one priority there is no party that will look out for you.

My advice which posters can take or leave is to find out what their local candidates views are on xyz and take it from there.

A massive amount of women not voting. Which is where I am. That will get us nowhere will it. The parties are all anti women in different ways. We say. I can't vote for any of them. So. For me, I'm disenfranchising myself.

Democracy? 51% of the population and none of them give a fuck.

Ages ago as a thought experiment thing someone said ok what if everyone votes for a woman. Most of them will have stuff that affects women and girls on their radar than a man who just doesn't give it a second thought.

Just some ideas there for those who feel lost. Take or leave them.

This thread is about a male labour politician saying he said not believe female people in the UK should have any right to single sex prisons, refuges, hospital wards, facilities in schools.

I mean what the fuck. Let's talk about that.

'It is quite problematic to rephrase as we maybe want different things but given the shortage of bed spaces in the NHS I am not sure it is practical to have 'Men's Surgical' and 'Women's Surgical' wards anymore.
But wouldn't it be better if everyone had a private room like in other countries rather than a bed on a shared ward with curtains?'

Well private rooms is never going to happen on NHS.

On the first point.

The intensive care and HDU are mixed. Everyone is fine with that. It's in high demand, very heavily staffed and the patients aren't up and wandering about.

Single sex wards were a government promise years ago, a very popular thing. (Later we found out all along it was gender based and the government told the NHS is was a necessary lie so as not to confuse the public. When the NHS said hold on do you really mean this. It was yonks ago which was a real eye opener for me).

Anyway single sex wards.

There are issues with sexual assaults etc on secure mental health wards and also geriatric.

People long term in hosp are vulnerable. They have little power over their own lives. They, if on a mental health or Tbh geriatric ward are unlikely to be believed/ taken seriously. Even if they do tell anyone.

I was on a mixed sex ward aged 18. The other beds had men in. The ward round was, I dunno. Hourly maybe. 2 or 3 of the men just sat there staring at me. It was quite discomfiting.

With an hour between ward rounds and one just turned 18 girl on an 8 (10? Can't remember) bed ward with the other beds with men...

I dunno that sounds risky. Looking back.

Luckily it was orthopaedic so people weren't very mobile.

I wouldn't fancy that for any girls or women in my family. I mean
Who would?

@nicegerbil yes the points you make on hospital wards all make sense. I hadn't even thought of mental hospitals, I suppose I am seeing them a bit like prisons and refugees so ideally would be single sex.

Please do not disenfranchise yourself though...that is not the solution. if you don't vote, you don't get to complain.

I don't agree with this man at all. But the amount of women saying they won't vote labour or will specifically vote Tory is frightening to me. You are throwing many, many more women under the bus thinking like that. We have enough time to influence Labour policy. The Tories are dangerous to vulnerable women, far more so then Labour. I dont agree with mixed changing rooms- but I am sure that the benefit cap has put more women in real danger then any trans policy. This is a party that asks women to prove they were raped before claiming benefits ffs