To think a sitting Labour MP should operate in line with their manifesto

[HermioneWeasley]

Leeds Labour MP has confirmed he doesn’t think women should have any sex segregated spaces (despite the commitment in the last manifesto), and that anyone who disagrees is a bigot.

If you vote for a party, shouldn’t you be able to rely on your MP abiding by manifesto commitments?

Also, what kind of woman hating psychopath thinks that refuges and prisons should be mixed sex?

PodgeBod does the domestic abuse bill not help women then?

www.gov.uk/government/publications/domestic-abuse-bill-2020-factsheets/domestic-abuse-bill-2020-overarching-factsheet

The Labour Party can't ignore women's sex based rights and expect to win women's votes.

'I dont agree with mixed changing rooms- but I am sure that the benefit cap has put more women in real danger then any trans policy. This is a party that asks women to prove they were raped before claiming benefits ffs'

Yes women always get fucked over. We are expected to step into work when the men are at war or there is a booming economy. We are expected to step back and go home when things change.

We are pitted against each other for going out to work, staying at home, being single parents, being with a man who doesn't pull his weight and etc etc

We are always in the wrong. Always.

All structures are set up by men for men. I remember watching Bob crowd give a speech. When he talked about supporting the tube workers it was so obvious he meant the men. The drivers. Etc. He wasn't thinking of the women, often black, working for shit money as cleaners.

It was just. So obvious.

Anyway.

The party political side of this is pointless tbh. I mean you have rank misogynists on both sides. All sides.

This man, who happens to be a labour mp. Said he did NOT think women had the right to single sex prisons, hospital wards, refuges or school facilities.

Think about it. He didn't say trans women. He said women and no girls had no right to single sex full stop

In practice. That means a shit ton of sexual violence. Against women and girls who are very vulnerable. In prison. In hospital. In refuges. Girls in school.

That is what he said. It's obscene utterly obscene.

He has not apologised or explained. He has not been reprimanded. Demoted. Anything. By the labour party.

He is a shadow minister.

I know the political thing is important to people. Posters need to understand that the posters around this topic cut across society and are not of the usual feminist nicely lefty stereotype (that I meet ).

The traffic on this topic is huge. Women are really fucked off.

Forget about party politics.

An MP said he did not agree that women and girls had any right to single sex prisons, refuges, hospital wards, communal changing in schools.

That is simply OUTRAGEOUS.

there's no two ways about it.

This is a party that asks women to prove they were raped before claiming benefits ffs

And labour is the party who will physically put women and children at a very serious risk of rape. Think about it.

I won't vote Tory. Nor will I be able to vote LibDem. But I won't vote for this man either.

**Forget about party politics.

An MP said he did not agree that women and girls had any right to single sex prisons, refuges, hospital wards, communal changing in schools.

That is simply OUTRAGEOUS.**

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I'll link this again, the labour party is seeking to include women 'claiming there is a conflict' between trans rights and their sex based rights within the definition of transphobic.

This is not limited to one MP. It is likely to become labour party policy that it is transphobic to want sex based rights which do not include trans people within the definition.

Women and girls are being thrown under the bus.

These May local elections are really important. I loathe the Tory party but we must send a clear message to the Labour Party that women's rights are not transphobic.

labourtransequality.org.uk/the-definition-of-transphobia/

Not sure how many people know, but the Green Party has just put a trans woman in as Co chair of the women's group and members have been emailed advising them not to table issues such as women's sex based rights as these are none inclusive issues.

[quote lifeturnsonadime]I'll link this again, the labour party is seeking to include women 'claiming there is a conflict' between trans rights and their sex based rights within the definition of transphobic.

This is not limited to one MP. It is likely to become labour party policy that it is transphobic to want sex based rights which do not include trans people within the definition.

Women and girls are being thrown under the bus.

These May local elections are really important. I loathe the Tory party but we must send a clear message to the Labour Party that women's rights are not transphobic.

labourtransequality.org.uk/the-definition-of-transphobia/[/quote]
I’ve just read this. So if we have a discussion about women’s rights and trans rights we would be defined as transphobic. So let’s silence 50% of the population. Let’s silence teenage girls. Let’s silence women in hospital. Let’s silence pregnant women.

I’ve just read this. So if we have a discussion about women’s rights and trans rights we would be defined as transphobic. So let’s silence 50% of the population. Let’s silence teenage girls. Let’s silence women in hospital. Let’s silence pregnant women.

Yes.

The SNP, The Green Party and now Labour all deem women speaking out for women's sex based rights to be transphobic.

The SNP, The Green Party and now Labour all deem women speaking out for women's sex based rights to be transphobic

Yep. They would like your vote women, so that they can then remove your rights, safeguards, your right to discuss or vote on these issues that impact on women, as well as removing the words you use to describe yourself. How terribly progressive. That really would be a turkey voting for Christmas.

Forget about party politics.

An MP said he did not agree that women and girls had any right to single sex prisons, refuges, hospital wards, communal changing in schools.

Absolutely this. He also said that he didn’t need to vote of women and children concerned about this (using the term ‘bigots’).

So who is this guy representing? He has made the decision that he does not want to even listen to the legitimate concerns of women (and many men and some transsexuals who are also being harmed by this) - so that is a chunk of the people that he is elected to represent totally disenfranchised- it is utterly outrageous.

The Labour Party, bar one or two mavericks like Rosie Duffield who is taking enormous abuse for her position and has had zero support from the leadership.

Angela Rayner made a video for transgender Remembrance Day for murdered trans people, neglecting to realise that zero trans people have been murdered in the UK since 2018! No video for murdered women in the UK thiugh of which there are approx 200 every year.

The other parties are as bad - they are being told repeatedly that there is a problem are point blank refusing to listen.

The Conservatives who are still not perfect in this but the best hope we have. I think it is totally wrong of people to try and guilt women out of wanting to vote for them ‘for the good of everyone else’ (and imo I don’t think that another party would have done things any better and potentially quite a bit worse).

Where is the support from ‘everyone else’ for women? Why should we give up everything for some questionable ‘benefit to the rest of society’ - we are part of society.

It's the attempts to silence women which is the most shocking thing for me. If people think TWAW then I accept that it's their opinion but to then not allow for debate or an opposing view is disgraceful.

I hope there are people connected to the Labour Party reading these threads. The issue isn't going to go away.

@Violetparis

It's the attempts to silence women which is the most shocking thing for me. If people think TWAW then I accept that it's their opinion but to then not allow for debate or an opposing view is disgraceful.

I agree. This isn't like disagreeing with their policy on housing or transport. It's about a movement that's supported by some very senior figures in the party, a movement that prioritises the feeling of men over the safety and dignity of women, and then bullies and abuses women to stop them talking about it. And the party leader does nothing.

Podgebod this is the party that was complicit in removing pensions for over 60s women. Women do not matter, and have no access in many cases to alternative provision. So in terms of economic help to women, not good.

What is the best tactic when voting in the local elections then? I think making a clear declaration when spoiling the voting paper as many of us did last time is the clearest method. I would certainly do this in this MPs constituency and the others nearby in Leeds where everyone knows what women are in the managed zone of Holbeck, where the local Labour councillors are ordered not to vote against it.

I think the best tactic is to ask the individual candidate the question that Janice Turner raised. And if the answer is no, women should not have sex segregated space, like the gynophobic Alex Sobels believes, then do not vote for them. Vote for the local candidate who genuinely supports women's rights rather than voting for a particular party.

@Hettia I would really like to believe there are some still standing, but there are so many who have been purged....

Yes, I was wondering that as I typed tbh. There's only one way to find out...

I agree with gardenbird

guilting women who vote tory is too close to the tribalism and blackmail of the TRAs etc- the tory party is a legal political party and we have every right to vote for them
have we learnt nothing fro the gender debacle?
i don't feel comfortable to say i'm leaning towards the tories IRL
Does that fear of broadcasting a legal and reasoned opinion sound famIliar?

@lifeturnsonadime

I’ve just read this. So if we have a discussion about women’s rights and trans rights we would be defined as transphobic. So let’s silence 50% of the population. Let’s silence teenage girls. Let’s silence women in hospital. Let’s silence pregnant women.

Yes.

The SNP, The Green Party and now Labour all deem women speaking out for women's sex based rights to be transphobic.

So don't vote for them...please.

So don't vote for them...please.

oh don't worry I'm not going to.

But given that I am the parent of 2 disabled children who are likely to need support and services into adulthood I can't vote Tory either.

So, I'm politically homeless.

I feel extremely let down, especially by the Labour Party who i have voted for all my adult life.

Taking away the meaning of the word woman. and the protections attached to the meaning of that word without consultation is unconscionable.

The only conclusion that can be reached is that they don't care about the safeguarding of women and girls. If they did we could have a conversation about the need to protect all sectors of society including women and girls.

Two options I mentioned upthread.

Which may or may not float anyone's boat.

'I would recommend anyone engaged, when it comes to voting. Write to the candidates/ ask the doorsteppers what the candidate thinks about this stuff.

I'm in a safe Tory seat. I wrote to the female mp once about abortion and got a good reply that made sense.

There has been an argument that women (on the whole) have an understanding/ interest in women's issues that men just don't. Yes some women are areseholes but no worse than the men.'

I realised the other day that the whole thing boils down to this: many men, especially those in politics, are actually enjoying ripping rights and protections away from women and handing them over to men.

Many men, especially those in politics, have long hated the notion that women need and deserve protection from men. They cannot accept that girls & women are oppressed and threatened by men and are feckin' thrilled that this notion is - and we need to face this - no longer accepted.

Girls and women face the gravest threats to our privacy, safety, security and right to be seen and heard that has been the case since long before we were born. It's time all women were woken up to this FACT.

many men, especially those in politics, are actually enjoying ripping rights and protections away from women and handing them over to men.

THIS

Many men, especially those in politics, have long hated the notion that women need and deserve protection from men. They cannot accept that girls & women are oppressed and threatened by men and are feckin' thrilled that this notion is - and we need to face this - no longer accepted

And This.

Note the several male MNetters who regularly mention regarding female people as 'pampered' and want to see the status of female people degraded to teach them a lesson.

Germaine Greer was spot on.