To think a sitting Labour MP should operate in line with their manifesto

[HermioneWeasley]

Leeds Labour MP has confirmed he doesn’t think women should have any sex segregated spaces (despite the commitment in the last manifesto), and that anyone who disagrees is a bigot.

If you vote for a party, shouldn’t you be able to rely on your MP abiding by manifesto commitments?

Also, what kind of woman hating psychopath thinks that refuges and prisons should be mixed sex?

I think that, if the only argument you can make for your case is that some people you don't like are not on your side, then maybe it's your argument that's bankrupt.

There is a petition on Ipetition. I’ve not put a link S MN don’t like it.

@Coffeeandcocopops

There is a petition on Ipetition. I’ve not put a link S MN don’t like it.

Is that the labour woman's declaration? I'll have a look to see if the local labour MP has signed it- I'll be willing to vote for someone who can stand up to this regressive anti-science

I have just signed the Labour Eomen's declaration too. Lots of signatures on there, good to see. Thanks for highlighting it @Coffeeandcocopops useful.

*Women's

Thank you for highlighting this petition. I've signed it too.

See when the absolutely morally bankrupt Tories are the only ones on your side do you not maybe think that's an indicator of maybe just how regressive your beliefs are? Or is everyone just really that committed to policing a tiny, tiny minority of people that they're happy to throw all the less privileged people in this country under a bus by voting for them

It tells me how authoritarian and dangerous labour have become and that I am glad that there is an alternative. I'm not stuck in a mindset that labour is the only party for the less privileged working person. It was once. But now it's been taken over. The Labour party is for privileged sneering middle classes these days who absolutely despise the working classes as well as women's rights. Labour is morally bankrupt. Which is why so many of their once loyal voters switched to Tory.

Do Labour give a damn about what the voters actually think?

Women have the right to be in their own space without risk or encroachment from male bodied individuals. It's that simple.

As for mixed prisons, I didn't realise you could sentence women to years of sexual/physical abuse and addiction but that's exactly what would happen. It would effectively be like sentencing a fox to live in the hen house.

Labour died with John Smith.

The Labour party is for privileged sneering middle classes these days who absolutely despise the working classes as well as women's rights.

Yes. I'm afraid you're absolutely right.

The working classes are very well aware of it, particularly in the once entirely Labour voting heartlands.

@VestaTilley

YANBU.

Sobel is a disgrace. He’s seen as a bit of a joke by most moderate labour MPs- he’s “soft left” if that means much, and doesn’t have good judgement.

His response though is typical of labour across the board on this issue. They’ve abandoned women and basically see us as a bunch of paranoid middle aged transphobes who can be ignored.

I was a labour cllr, very involved at a central level for some time, and a member for 14 years. I know quite a few MPs and advisors. I left when labour endorsed GRA reform, having been pushed to the brink anyway by Corbyn, antisemitism and Brexit.

I now spoil my ballot at every election and see the party for what it is: an unthinking group of people who think they care about structural poverty, while actually having no new ideas, plans or decent policies to tackle the inequalities in Britain. They’re a busted flush who are completely bought in to women identity politics. They can’t even name what a woman is.

I completely despair. They are most certainly not the party of women’s rights. As a result of publicly saying so many times I have been dropped by quite a few people I used to know. Their loss.

If I were running Tory HQ I’d put that screenshot on a leaflet and put it through the door of every house in the north of England come election time.

So why don't you kick them where it really hurts and stop spoiling your ballot paper and vote for the 'not quite so captured yet on this issue' Tories.

And the Green Party? asking for a friend.

It used to be the ecological independent party with some interesting ideas and support for the underprivileged. Now 30 women have resigned after a transwoman was appointed head of the women's committee, apparently. No particular problem apart from the fact she was also on the LBTQx committee. And Caroline Lucas has faced huge flak for meeting with Woman's Place UK. Darren Johnson, long term GP rep is on the point of resigning.

MPs don't have to have the same views as their constituents, or the party manifesto, and there's more or less nothing one can do to get rid of them until a general election- and then in a solid say Labour constituency you'll still never get rid of them.

Democracy, I'm afraid!

There are rules about bringing the party into disrepute though.

Why are there so many “people” leaving the Labour Party??? 🤔

To vote for the Green Party Women committee, including the two co chairs, you had to be a GP member "who is, or identifies as, a woman.
Apparently there was a "shout out" on various SM, to those who self identify, to vote for the natal male who identifies as female, for co chair candidate.

The natal male, who identifies as female, co chair was elected, not appointed, as co chair, along with an elected Woman.

Daily Mail got the appointed bit wrong, but everything else looks pretty correct in that article.And I suspect it will be a,lot more than 30 women leaving, I haven't (yet) left.

For info, this is the reply I got from Keir Starmer's office.
"Labour takes all allegations against any Labour member extremely seriously and has a complaints process in place that is independent from the leadership of the Party. Complaints can be made at labour.org.uk/members/my-welfare/making-a-complaint/ including anonymously.

Any complaints against MP’s or Shadow Ministers must be made to the Chief Whip, Nick Brown MP"

@Scout2016

For info, this is the reply I got from Keir Starmer's office. "Labour takes all allegations against any Labour member extremely seriously and has a complaints process in place that is independent from the leadership of the Party. Complaints can be made at labour.org.uk/members/my-welfare/making-a-complaint/ including anonymously.

Any complaints against MP’s or Shadow Ministers must be made to the Chief Whip, Nick Brown MP"

Are we supposed to be impressed by that?

Do you mean impressed by that reply? I wouldn't have thought so, I'd have thought they could have just passed my email on to the right department themselves but I guess procedures are procedures.
I mean, I know everywhere has a complaints procedure but I didn't see what I wrote as falling strictly into that category, if that makes sense. Anyway, just passing it on to save anyone else wasting their time going via the wrong route, as it seems I did, should they wish to raise anything resembling a concern about any Labour MP.

Actually, having mulled it over, it's a crap reply because it doesn't address any of the things I asked him. I'm so quick to think I've done things wrong that I nearly missed their avoidance of the half the email content that was directed to Starmer.

@Scout2016

Actually, having mulled it over, it's a crap reply because it doesn't address any of the things I asked him. I'm so quick to think I've done things wrong that I nearly missed their avoidance of the half the email content that was directed to Starmer.

I agree. He has avoided answering your concerns presumably.

& be prepared for’no reply’ cause that’s what they do if they don’t agree with the complaint - they just bin it. Labour, Green’s & LibDems have a lot of unelected trans working for them & on committees 🤦‍♀️

USUKmom. I think that we may have the same MP!😯 I wrote to mine after she boasted on SM about meeting with Mermaids. I was pretty much patronised and insulted by her,told that there was no threat to me or anyone else by allowing men into women only spaces,and she was singing the praises of Stonewall.
I did reply,asking if she'd consulted women and children's safeguarding group before she'd published a paper on the 'benefits' of self ID. I got no reply. I also pointed out that she had no right at all to tell me what was or wasn't safe,and as someone who'd been physically assaulted by two men on a busy road in broad daylight,I was perfectly capable of knowing what men were entitled to think they could do in public,never mind in private.
I received no reply.
She is a Conservative MP,so I'm now in the awful position if having no one to vote for,and I always vote.

I am not his constituent, but I would be really pleased if some of his women voters could ask him to explain his position on the same-sex spaces issue.
I am not advocating removal of anybody’s rights, and I resent being labelled as a transphobe and bigot for being determined to protect the legal rights that I and other women have to our own safe spaces.
It is not just a safeguarding issue, but for someone who lives in a multi-ethnic constituency like he does it is a matter of respecting other cultural norms when it comes to sharing spaces with the opposite sex.
He should really take that on board.

Oh well, at least the complaints procedure link he sent you looks straight forward enough scout
labour.org.uk/members/my-welfare/making-a-complaint/
I'm sure it's going to get plenty of use.

When has any politician, regardless of party, actual carried out what they promise or stand for?