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To think a sitting Labour MP should operate in line with their manifesto

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HermioneWeasley · 04/02/2021 20:43

Leeds Labour MP has confirmed he doesn’t think women should have any sex segregated spaces (despite the commitment in the last manifesto), and that anyone who disagrees is a bigot.

If you vote for a party, shouldn’t you be able to rely on your MP abiding by manifesto commitments?

Also, what kind of woman hating psychopath thinks that refuges and prisons should be mixed sex?

To think a sitting Labour MP should operate in line with their manifesto
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NiceGerbil · 07/02/2021 15:47

Agree with above two posts.

I remember the wails of my 'nice' male work colleagues when metoo happened. I can't even look at a woman any more!

Scratch the surface and a lot of men harbour a deep resentment.

BiBabbles · 07/02/2021 15:55

I think other members of the party would be in the right (and in this case probably should) to state that such a statement isn't in line with the manifesto and to distance from such ideas publically. If they don't, they can't blame if people think this is Labour's real party line, no matter what is in their manifesto.

I don't think politicians should have to operate within the manifestos of their party in everything, there is room for people to vote from the experiences and opinions of their constituents or to a lesser extent from their own conscience even when it doesn't line up with the parties that have the backing to make being a politician possible in our current political environment, but I do think parties every right to have systems for when people go too far out of line that they damage the party.

VickyEadieofThigh · 07/02/2021 16:11

@NiceGerbil

Agree with above two posts.

I remember the wails of my 'nice' male work colleagues when metoo happened. I can't even look at a woman any more!

Scratch the surface and a lot of men harbour a deep resentment.

Yes, they do I saw the article in the DM about the Green party giving the women's officer role to a transwoman and within about 5 comments a man had posted along the lines of 'women want everything to suit them'.

Which in this case was somewhat ironic, I thought.

StillAWoman2 · 07/02/2021 18:52

@PodgeBod

I don't agree with this man at all. But the amount of women saying they won't vote labour or will specifically vote Tory is frightening to me. You are throwing many, many more women under the bus thinking like that. We have enough time to influence Labour policy. The Tories are dangerous to vulnerable women, far more so then Labour. I dont agree with mixed changing rooms- but I am sure that the benefit cap has put more women in real danger then any trans policy. This is a party that asks women to prove they were raped before claiming benefits ffs
Women have been trying to influence Labour policy for the last few years and are not just getting nowhere it’s getting worse.

The only remaining power we still have is our vote.

Childrenofthestones · 07/02/2021 18:57

@HermioneWeasley

Leeds Labour MP has confirmed he doesn’t think women should have any sex segregated spaces (despite the commitment in the last manifesto), and that anyone who disagrees is a bigot.

If you vote for a party, shouldn’t you be able to rely on your MP abiding by manifesto commitments?

Also, what kind of woman hating psychopath thinks that refuges and prisons should be mixed sex?

He probably demands transwomen are women because its the only way those misogynist dinosaurs are going to get a female leader. 😁
HighlightedTrees · 07/02/2021 21:07

The question put to him was.

'Do you agree that there should be sex-segregated facilities for women in hospitals, schools, refuges and prisons?'

@NiceGerbil why is discussing women's toilets and postnatal wards derailing the thread?

NiceGerbil · 07/02/2021 21:12

Because conversations about men on postnatal wards get very heated and go to a million posts.

I think arguing about whether men should be allowed to visit 24/7 is different to thinking about whether all the other wards should be mixed sex.

So yes I do think it's a derail.

The question also didn't mention toilets. Although in each of the cases the women would have mixed sex toilets along with mixed sex cells, showers, changing, sleeping etc etc etc

TheRealMcKenna · 07/02/2021 22:42

Labour, Greens, Lib Dems and SNP have all nailed their colours to the mast as far as I’m concerned. Trans rights trump the rights of women.

They have all assumed that they can rely on the votes of women, despite their concerns, because women ‘cannot vote Tory’.

Fuck that.

I’m not voting for any party that cannot protect the rights of women because they can’t define what a woman is.

Never. Ever.

Call me a nazi, a bigot, a fascist or a selfish c*nt (as tory voters have been described many times on MN).

I. Don’t. Care.

gardenbird48 · 07/02/2021 22:43

I remain utterly gobsmacked that an elected representative thinks it is appropriate to speak to his constituents like that.

TheRealMcKenna · 07/02/2021 22:50

@gardenbird48

I remain utterly gobsmacked that an elected representative thinks it is appropriate to speak to his constituents like that.
And this is how the Green’s ‘women’s representative’ speaks....

Words fail me.

To think a sitting Labour MP should operate in line with their manifesto
Hettya · 07/02/2021 23:13

Wow. That just says it all doesn't it.

GreenlandTheMovie · 07/02/2021 23:13

The tone and language used in his response are fairly abusive, and very rude and dismissive. If I used language in that way in my job when responding to a client (student), I'd get a complaint made about me and undoubtedly disciplined and then sacked for gross misconduct.

Does this individual have previous demonstration of form for lack of resiect for social norms? Any evidence of juvenile delinquency or early cruelty type behaviours?

Coffeeandcocopops · 07/02/2021 23:36

If I spoke to a resident/customer like those two representatives of political parties I would be out of my job. Since when has it become ok to swear and be abusive to those that pay your salary either by Union subs/taxes/ membership fees?

MaryBCH · 08/02/2021 00:35

It was me who asked the initial question about separate sex provision. This was after watching Tracy Brabin’s video promoting Labour’s stance on provision and respect for trans people. She is standing for Mayor of West Yorkshire and I think Alex Sobel MP is acting as her agent.
I was shocked at the curt negative response I got from Mr Sobel. I was deeply hurt at subsequently being labelled a bigot for wanting separate sex provision for girls and women.
Labour will not be getting any support from me at any election in the future if they will not promise to uphold the rights of women and girls. The Manifesto of 2019, on which these MPs were elected has a promise to uphold women’s rights as enshrined in the Equality Act of 2004. Alex Sobel and others of like mind are reneging on their manifesto commitment.

NiceGerbil · 08/02/2021 00:53

Hello Mary!

Do you post here already? If not, welcome.

Were you/ are you a labour supporter/ member/ activist?

His response to your question was bonkers. Women have no right to single sex prisons etc? I mean bloody hell.

That screenshot with your question and his answer 'no' won't go away even though he has deleted the post..

NiceGerbil · 08/02/2021 00:57

Many MPs I suppose don't agree with/ toe the line on manifesto pledges.

My concern is more the utter rank misogyny displayed.

He thinks women have no right to single sex prisons.

That's not right left etc. That's just fucking grotesque.

lawyles · 08/02/2021 01:12

As long as Labour have MP's with his attitude and arrogance I will never vote for them

NiceGerbil · 08/02/2021 01:25

Do these people not realise Twitter is real?

Like if he was asked the question by a constituent or in parliament.

He said women do not have the right to single sex hospital wards, prisons, refuges, things in schools.

He went way further than any tra. They say self ID. He said, mixed sex all the way.

???!!!

DeRigueurMortis · 08/02/2021 02:06

Welcome Mary GrinGrinGrin

Motherofone163 · 08/02/2021 04:38

He needs to know that we will not accept this treatment of women.

PIKNIK20 · 08/02/2021 05:09

Female Labour MPs should be shouting: resign, but so many are chickens.

USUKmom · 08/02/2021 07:45

I wrote to my MP about this, and she implied that I am a bigot, and suggested I take parent courses at Gendered Intelligence, which is more extreme than Stonewall.
She is also working directly with Stonewall on one of the issues she is promoting.

Violetparis · 08/02/2021 08:20

Thank you for asking the question Mary.

PinkyParrot · 08/02/2021 08:29

I wrote to my Tory MP about women's sport and he phoned (possibly so there is no written evidence) and agreed with me.

C8H10N4O2 · 08/02/2021 08:42

Absolutely nothing would or could convince me to vote Tory. I couldn't countenance throwing all less privileged people under a bus

Within every economic, social, ethnic and culture group women are the less privileged people.

For the first time in recorded history this year women make up less than 50% of the world's population - just consider the level of global femicide, deprivation of care, selective abortion it took to make that shift.

The miliitant left of labour has never given much of a shit about ordinary women. The trans issues play perfectly to that, giving an excuse to remove sex based protections which they never wanted anyway.