To think a sitting Labour MP should operate in line with their manifesto

[HermioneWeasley]

Leeds Labour MP has confirmed he doesn’t think women should have any sex segregated spaces (despite the commitment in the last manifesto), and that anyone who disagrees is a bigot.

If you vote for a party, shouldn’t you be able to rely on your MP abiding by manifesto commitments?

Also, what kind of woman hating psychopath thinks that refuges and prisons should be mixed sex?

I'm struggling to think why politicians think this is a vote winner. Perhaps it's because (as well as being arrogant bigots) they fear being shouted down by trans rights activists on social media, who appear to have influence in the way the half of the population who are women do not.

The SNP in Scotland are flouting their credentials as "humanitarian" by promoting trans rights (there's currently a big furore about whether it should be included in the notorious forthcoming hate crime legislation, as if it were, any woman who speaks out against trans rights in her own home and is reported to the police by a family member or friend risks a criminal conviction).

This is clearly in breach of the fundamental human right to a family life and to the right of privacy, an irony which is lost on the Scottish Government.

I wonder if he is aware that the Ministry of Justice is currently being taken to court to force them to change their policy of allowing male-bodied prisoners to be placed in prisons with women. I think there are 124 at the moment (60% are sex offenders, compared with approx. 7% in the general male population) - they all self-identify as female.

The woman taking them to court (bearing in mind most female prisoners are vulnerable, often have a background of being abused and a significant number in prison for non-violent offences) was raped IN PRISON by a male-bodied prisoner that she was locked up with.

Sadly, because the judiciary are fairly captured by the ideology, in many cases where rape does actually get prosecuted (1%) if it was by a male-bodied person who identifies as female, the victim can be forced by the judge to use the pronouns of choice of the aggressor. So a female victim can (and has) been forced to refer to her rapist in court as 'she'.

This is such an unbelievably cruel thing to do and that Labour MP supports the ideology that demands this. The whole thing treats women abominably.

I believe the SDP - centre left party that recognises sex based rights - fielded some candidates in Leeds in 2019, in both local council and general elections. Hope they are watching this shitshow and taking notes.

I don't know if it just makes the press more, or if I notice it more because I used to live there, but those running Leeds really seems to have contempt for women. The managed "red light" area for example, which many feel has just made an area unsafe for all women and girls, and no safer for sex workers.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-leeds-54819248

And when a few women, including Leeds ReSisters and Posie gathered to discuss such issues in public they were arrested.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4028651-Kelly-Jay-currently-being-arrested-in-Leeds

This was at the same time as large "anti mask" and BLM protests were not being broken up, they followed Covid procedures and protests were allowed at the time.
There was a wonderful photo of a woman wearing a T-shirt that said "thought criminal" being arrested by several male officers but I can find it.

I find it unbelievable that it has come to this: MPs declaring that half of the population don’t deserve listening to, women should be forced to be in situations that are dangerous , the legislation that protects us can be . There is evidence that mixed sex facilities are less safe. Alex knows this and has chosen to ignore women’s views. I thought I had voted for him last time but now I remember I spoiled my vote, over this issue as it is pretty much a Labour seat. Once upon a time it was Liberal Democrat but now I would not vote for them either due to their views about this. I could never vote Tory though...incompetent bunch as they are. I wonder if Labour don’t really want to be in power given the nature of what they would have to sort out.

Scout Agree re Leeds managed zone. Do you know what the outcome of those arrests was ?

@Scout2016 you can actually buy that t shirt on the Standing for Women site.

Scout Agree re Leeds managed zone. Do you know what the outcome of those arrests was ?

They were supposed to pay fixed penalty fines, but several of them said they would go to court to have their say. I think, surprise, that the police didn't bother to pursue them. Because it was about stopping the meeting, and what they did was probably not within the law at the time. The meeting was a protest and everything was done as per the protest regulations.

Those of you in his constituency, have you let Alex know why you’re not voting for him? I seem to recall it was a Lib Dem seat for years so not sure how secure it is

So, so transparent!

We have the local elections announced and, suddenly, we have posts claiming that Labour have lost the plot on women's rights and the only party to stand up for women is the Conservatives (and if you really can't stand to vote for them, you can always spoil your vote).

It's a manipulative lie. I'm not at all saying I agree with that idiot in Leeds, nor am I saying Labour do not have a problem.
What I AM saying is that NONE of the main parties is free of gender politics - and that includes the Conservatives.
Funny how no-one is suggesting their voters should spoil their ballots

If I lived in his constituency (I lived in a neighbouring one for a number of years) I'd be getting together with like minded women and fundraising like crazy to make sure every street corner had a billboard with "Here is what your MP thinks of women" and a screen grab of those tweets.

I totally agree with pp that the Tory party are no friends to women (in fact a few years ago our Tory candidate doorstepped me and I told her that as a single working mother in the public sector, voting for her would be like a turkey voting for Christmas).

But how the hell do we rescue the Labour party from its current crop of festering misogynists? (My current Labour MP is woke beyond all hope of reason on this issue.)

As PP have said, I don't think the police followed through with enforcing payment of fines from the Leeds protest but I don't think there were any apologies or explanations given for what went on either, which I thought at least a couple of women had requested. I plan to have a look when home schooling is over but probably someone will be on with an update before I get chance.

We have the local elections announced and, suddenly, we have posts claiming that Labour have lost the plot on women's rights and the only party to stand up for women is the Conservatives (and if you really can't stand to vote for them, you can always spoil your vote).

Ahh, an accusation that the Tory bots are here seeking to change the minds of the labour voters🤣 it's not a claim that labour have lost the plot on women's rights. It's a fact. I'm shocked you haven't noticed. Unless you've been living under a rock for the past few years. I don't think anyone should spoil their ballot personally. I also think a vote for labour is a vote against women. So for me, I'm voting for the Tory party.

*So, so transparent!

We have the local elections announced and, suddenly, we have posts claiming that Labour have lost the plot on women's rights and the only party to stand up for women is the Conservatives (and if you really can't stand to vote for them, you can always spoil your vote). *

Pardon? The suddenness was because Alex Sobel had only recently tweeted. There's no agenda here, just the highlighting of Sobel's views on the matter. How people choose to vote in light of this is up to them

Besides, bots to steer people away from Labour are not needed when their own MPs are doing such a good job of it

Besides, bots to steer people away from Labour are not needed when their own MPs are doing such a good job of it

Indeed. I love the implied assertion that if one is not a labour voter they must be a Tory bot. Heaven forbid it might just be that someone has a different opinion to them. But of course this fall's in line with many of the lefts premises these days. To shine a bit of light on them, here are a few:

1. If you're on MN and you're not voting labour you're a Tory bot, seeking to gain more followers.

2. An example in the states, although it applies here. Quote by Biden. If you don't vote Biden then you ain't black. (Even if you are)

3. The assertion that if you are a black person who leans towards conservatism then that makes you a "coconut". 😡 (Meaning you have internalised white supremacy and you are a "race traitor".) How appalling is that?

4. You can't be working class if you don't vote labour. So all those working class labour voters who left in droves because labour did not give a shit about then are now not working class. (Presumably they're considered to be "class traitors")

5. If you dress like a woman then you are one.

6. If you don't vote labour then you're not gay. (Although if you are gay them you're probably trans anyway. So still not gay head starts to explode trying to get head around their mental gymnastics)

7)If you dont believe TWAW then you're not a feminist.

The list goes on. Seriously, who in their right mind would vote for this bunch of authoritarian extreme left fuck wits right now.

I'll sit back and await deletion from MN after the mass reporting from extreme left wing authoritarians pile in for my perceived crime of wrong think, seeking to influence the masses.. After all, I must be silenced. Probably for being a "nazi" (mums net bingo)

Tanith calls us all bots. It was a Labour MP who said something so breathtakingly cruel and discriminatory that I for one find it hard to process. It was a Labour MP who has said something so breathtakingly cruel and discriminatory it should finish the party (imagine Tanith's righteous glee if a Tory MP had said it). But we're the bots. Funny someone pops up to defend this indefensible MP now his shocking tweet is in the sunlight.

Amateurs - I've been accused of being a Trump bot, although to be clear, not by Tanith
In fact I think it was Tanith who reminded me that the SDP were still around for which I am grateful.

MN has discussed Labour losing the plot on women's rights for several years. This isn't sudden. Sobel's tweet is not unusual in the LP context.

Presumably many Labour MPs disagree but they choose to stay silent.

I used to be a LP member. They lost me on this issue. Women will draw their own conclusions on how to vote. Presumably some will hold their nose and stick with Labour. Some will move on.

I’ve been here for 14 years - Tory bot indeed

The idea that thousands of ordinary women are furious about this and it influences our voting terrifies you, doesn’t it? As it should

@NiceGerbil

No it isn't . None of the parties are friends of women and girls. I won't vote for any of them. Which is a waste.

Bring back monster raving loony. Lord sutch had great policies around cycling.

@NiceGerbil I don’t know whether to laugh or cry that this is looking like the only decent party!

Lol, yes I've been here since 2007, albeit under many name changes and a couple of different accounts where I forgot the login details. I ain't no bot. I came here originally looking for pram recommendations when my first child was born. Never thought I'd still be here in the fight to keep my legal sex based rights for myself and my daughters. But here I am.

Exactly @HettieMillia

@Ereshkigalangcleg

There hasn't been a physical conference since 2019. Starmer wasn't leader then.

Are you saying you don't think the shameful Brighton stuff would have happened if he had been?

I'm saying that it's too early to make judgments about Starmer's leadership given the circumstances I mentioned.

I'm really hoping mainstream media picks this up...

Perfect example of sunlight being needed.

Well that's fine if you think it's too early sooty. For many others, Starmers lengthy silence has shown us clearly where he stands. For me, I'm not waiting any longer in the hope he throws women a crumb from the table. He's not going to. Not unless it suits him for political gain.