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To think a sitting Labour MP should operate in line with their manifesto

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HermioneWeasley · 04/02/2021 20:43

Leeds Labour MP has confirmed he doesn’t think women should have any sex segregated spaces (despite the commitment in the last manifesto), and that anyone who disagrees is a bigot.

If you vote for a party, shouldn’t you be able to rely on your MP abiding by manifesto commitments?

Also, what kind of woman hating psychopath thinks that refuges and prisons should be mixed sex?

To think a sitting Labour MP should operate in line with their manifesto
To think a sitting Labour MP should operate in line with their manifesto
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Guineapigsarepigs · 04/02/2021 22:34

I am currently reading 'The Gulag Archipelago'. One stomach-turning chapter describes what happens to women when the sexes are incarcerated together. Mixed-sex prisons are an extremist proposition and the Labour party should be ashamed of itself.

Sulkywoman · 04/02/2021 22:36

Can we have the poll put up OP?

Guineapigsarepigs · 04/02/2021 22:37

Mixed-sex prisons are an extremist proposition

I say 'proposition'. It's already happening, of course.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 04/02/2021 22:38

What a horrific, abusive man he is. He should not be an MP.

DynamoKev · 04/02/2021 22:40

@HettieMillia

I don’t need the vote of bigots thanks

Translation: he doesn't want the votes of the many women who are going to uphold their legal rights and safeguards.

And calling a woman a bigot worked so well for Gordon Brown.
NiceGerbil · 04/02/2021 22:45

Is this bloke going to explain how

He is going to keep women safe in mixed prisons
He is going to keep girls safe in mixed communal changing showering etc. The amount of sex offences against girls in schools is already very high. And also maintain the dignity etc of everyone.

PotholeParadies · 04/02/2021 22:46

I was a dyed-in-the-wool Labour/Green voter. But one thing I'm seeing is that party loyalty leads to a race to the bottom. I don't want Labour to merely provide a slightly better than the Conservative option to some groups, at the price of being worse for vulnerable groups like female prisoners. I want them to listen to everyone and take all views into account before formatting policy.

If you want that too, it seems obvious we need to make our voices heard.

ilovesooty · 04/02/2021 22:46

Well of course I shall vote for who I like when the time comes. And people who really believe the Conservatives care about women and the party will make a miraculous transformation into a party that cares about poverty and vulnerability can do the same - alongside the many Tory voters who don't give a fuck about people more disadvantaged than they are.

NiceGerbil · 04/02/2021 22:47

What's his rationale for wanting this?

I can't begin to get to grips with it.

Why does he want to expose already vulnerable women in prison to this? I mean that's actually pretty upsetting. I am struggling to grasp it, it's such an outrageous idea.

HettieMillia · 04/02/2021 22:50

They're better than labour sooty. And I'm not going to vote for a party that hates women. Over half of the population. That's crazy. And I'm not one to spoil (waste) my vote. I don't really get why people do that tbh.

ilovesooty · 04/02/2021 22:54

What Sobel said isn't Labour party policy going into a manifesto.

You say the Conservative party is better fr vulnerable people than vote for Labour . We'll have to agree to disagree.

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HettieMillia · 04/02/2021 22:57

Im happy to disagree sooty. I don't seek to change your mind. And obviously you won't be changing mine.

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 04/02/2021 23:00

They don't care.

Women are just collateral damage to these career-driven men.
He's just boosting his own career, thinks this issue can move him up the ranks.
Northern Labour men where I grew up were always like this, women were seen as a bit second rate- it doesn't seem to have changed.

ilovesooty · 04/02/2021 23:03

Fair enough @HettieMillia . We're not going to agree but you have kept to the viewpoint, not chosen to attack me personally.

LizzieSiddal · 04/02/2021 23:03

What a despicable man. Makes me feel sick to think what these men want women and girls, to have to go through. Who the fuck do they thing they are?!

LizzieSiddal · 04/02/2021 23:04

*think

C8H10N4O2 · 04/02/2021 23:04

And people who really believe the Conservatives care about women and the party will make a miraculous transformation into a party that cares about poverty and vulnerability can do the same

The problem is the militant/momentum left wing in LP doesn't give a shit either. Its always been "jam tomorrow" and active campaigning against equal pay and many other issues. I got sick of hearing "absolutely women's rights will come with the greater struggle, meanwhile make the tea dear". If you throw out all sex based protections its not middle class socialists who will suffer - its poor and vulnerable women who will pay the price.

Wilson fought that sexism to support Barbara Castle on women's issues, the 97 government did a lot more but of course Blair is a "red Tory" so we mustn't talk about progress in that period. As someone who was well to the left of Blair when he was elected I find myself completely alienated by the authoritarian ideology being promoted within the party and its utter ignorance of WC values.

EdgeOfACoin · 04/02/2021 23:05

How does making all spaces mixed-sex help Muslim women or orthodox Jewish women or women who have been traumatised by men? How does making prisons mixed-sex help some of the women who find themselves at the bottom of society?

It's all very well to say that the Tories disadvantage people, but this sort of pro-mixed-sex policy most hurts women who are already marginalised in society.

VestaTilley · 04/02/2021 23:07

Yep. Sadly his reply is typical of the Labour view on this issue (why I can’t vote for them), and also reflects the lack of critical thought and attention for detail most Labour MPs give any issue.

The parliamentary Labour Party is mostly just dross.

PotholeParadies · 04/02/2021 23:08

There is one way to ensure that this doesn't become Labour policy.

Convince the people who want to form the next government that it's a vote-loser.

Please email your MP and ask them the very same question that Alex answered so bluntly. If we put women's rights in the "nice to have but can do without" pile, so will they.

TheGoogleMum · 04/02/2021 23:11

Ugh I could never vote Conservative becuase of their stance on many other things but its looking more and more like I'll have nobody I can in good conscience give my vote to at this rate. Currently labour member but I do keep thinking of leaving.

Thewithesarehere · 04/02/2021 23:11

I think Labour will shoot themselves in the foot if they do not take action on this issue soon. Muslims and Jewish communities can make or break some of their strong seats.

334bu · 04/02/2021 23:12

The utter contempt for women in his tweets is mind boggling and his attempts to minimise by implying the question was about public toilets and not female prisons, refugee etc completely hypocritical and dishonest.

ilovesooty · 04/02/2021 23:19

Well it isn't Labour policy. Starmer will hopefully not allow his comment and the way he expressed himself to pass without taking action. He hasn't so far been willing, as Johnson has, to ignore or condone damaging action or comments by members of his cabinet or back bench MPs.

I'm quite willing to ask my MP his views on what Sobel said.