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To think a sitting Labour MP should operate in line with their manifesto

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HermioneWeasley · 04/02/2021 20:43

Leeds Labour MP has confirmed he doesn’t think women should have any sex segregated spaces (despite the commitment in the last manifesto), and that anyone who disagrees is a bigot.

If you vote for a party, shouldn’t you be able to rely on your MP abiding by manifesto commitments?

Also, what kind of woman hating psychopath thinks that refuges and prisons should be mixed sex?

To think a sitting Labour MP should operate in line with their manifesto
To think a sitting Labour MP should operate in line with their manifesto
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AdoptedBumpkin · 05/02/2021 12:38

Such arrogance. Imagine feeling you can speak for the opposite gender.

Some MPs think they know it all just because they have managed to get elected to a safe seat.

HettieMillia · 05/02/2021 12:40

Some MPs think they know it all just because they have managed to get elected to a safe seat

Yep. Bunch of bell ends.

ilovesooty · 05/02/2021 12:41

It certainly wasn't a safe seat when Sobel was elected.

gardenbird48 · 05/02/2021 12:47

@DeRigueurMortis

I'm really hoping mainstream media picks this up...

Perfect example of sunlight being needed.

It would be nice but you may have noticed that they are rather reluctant. The BBC are openly biased and have a habit of making false claims about the law relating to single sex spaces. The newspapers are patchy with the Gusrdian being totally against women’s rights and I think the Independent. The Times is definitely improving and the amazing Janice Turner has been making excellent progress and The Spectator is quite good.

Piers Morgan on GMB has been a voice of sanity (never thought I would say that)

AdoptedBumpkin · 05/02/2021 12:48

@ilovesooty

It certainly wasn't a safe seat when Sobel was elected.
Fair enough. Even so, he cannot presume to speak for women (or men) on an issue like this.
DeRigueurMortis · 05/02/2021 12:54

  • It would be nice but you may have noticed that they are rather reluctant. The BBC are openly biased and have a habit of making false claims about the law relating to single sex spaces. The newspapers are patchy with the Gusrdian being totally against women’s rights and I think the Independent. The Times is definitely improving and the amazing Janice Turner has been making excellent progress and The Spectator is quite good.

Piers Morgan on GMB has been a voice of sanity (never thought I would say that)*

Yes I've noticed Angry

Janice has picked up on it on Twitter...

HettieMillia · 05/02/2021 13:08

I like Janice's approach. Straight and to the point. And if they waffle or can't answer them don't vote for them. And if they lie to get in and then change their minds on this after being elected, then kick them out of the party.

To think a sitting Labour MP should operate in line with their manifesto
Floisme · 05/02/2021 13:13

I have bent over backwards to give Starmer time. I gave him credit - probably far too much - for being the only leadership candidate to swerve that juvenile statement which, as I recall described organisations trying to protect women's legal rights as 'hate groups'. He's a lawyer, I've told myself, he's cautious, he picks his battles. Well my patience has just about run out.

As has been noted, the May elections are pending, and this MP - this shadow minister - has described women who agree with the current Equality legislation as bigots.
I've had Enough. I won't vote Tory but I'm not going to attack women who make that choice. Hopefully Starmer will step up - it really is embarrassing and pathetic how little he needs to do to keep my vote. If he doesn't I'll have to look fir a non mainstream candidate who knows what a woman is and who is aligned enough with my other views. If not I guess I'll spoil my ballot, which I don't relish but, as long as the left of centre parties continue to be such spineless twits, I don't think there's any other option for me.

BettyFilous · 05/02/2021 13:14

I completely agree with your post.

BettyFilous · 05/02/2021 13:15

@C8H10N4O2

And people who really believe the Conservatives care about women and the party will make a miraculous transformation into a party that cares about poverty and vulnerability can do the same

The problem is the militant/momentum left wing in LP doesn't give a shit either. Its always been "jam tomorrow" and active campaigning against equal pay and many other issues. I got sick of hearing "absolutely women's rights will come with the greater struggle, meanwhile make the tea dear". If you throw out all sex based protections its not middle class socialists who will suffer - its poor and vulnerable women who will pay the price.

Wilson fought that sexism to support Barbara Castle on women's issues, the 97 government did a lot more but of course Blair is a "red Tory" so we mustn't talk about progress in that period. As someone who was well to the left of Blair when he was elected I find myself completely alienated by the authoritarian ideology being promoted within the party and its utter ignorance of WC values.

It was this post I was supporting. Lost the quote on my last message.
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HermioneWeasley · 05/02/2021 13:17

Go Janice!

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DeRigueurMortis · 05/02/2021 13:28

@Floisme

I have bent over backwards to give Starmer time. I gave him credit - probably far too much - for being the only leadership candidate to swerve that juvenile statement which, as I recall described organisations trying to protect women's legal rights as 'hate groups'. He's a lawyer, I've told myself, he's cautious, he picks his battles. Well my patience has just about run out.

As has been noted, the May elections are pending, and this MP - this shadow minister - has described women who agree with the current Equality legislation as bigots.
I've had Enough. I won't vote Tory but I'm not going to attack women who make that choice. Hopefully Starmer will step up - it really is embarrassing and pathetic how little he needs to do to keep my vote. If he doesn't I'll have to look fir a non mainstream candidate who knows what a woman is and who is aligned enough with my other views. If not I guess I'll spoil my ballot, which I don't relish but, as long as the left of centre parties continue to be such spineless twits, I don't think there's any other option for me.

I agree.

I think KS just wants this issue to go away.

It won't though. He needs to put it to bed one way or the other.

Ive been "done" with Labour for a while now but keep hoping they might win me back at some point but each revelation like this just further erodes my belief that could ever happen.

Guineapigsarepigs · 05/02/2021 13:33

I suppose it's good that Sobel made his odious views so clear and in such a public way. Voter's will decide what to do next.

Guineapigsarepigs · 05/02/2021 13:33

*voters

IWillSqueakAgain · 05/02/2021 13:38

Sooty voting labour would throw less vulnerable people under the bus.

All the women in prisons, dv shelters, hospitals and so on.

I’m not sold I could ever vote Tory. I’ve spoiled my ballot more times than I’ve voted for any party.

I think we need to take voting back to basics- ask all candidates their opinion of self id. Ask if they’d be willing to stand up publicly against their party for women’s rights. Ask if they’ll tweet whatever on this issue right now.

Any candidate who is willing to stand by women, stand against self id, publicly against their parties view will get my vote. I’ll advertise their pro women stance and why that got my vote all over every social media platform. And I’ll start campaigning for them too.

Voting is supported to be based on the candidate we are confident will represent us. The chances of getting Tories out isn’t high, so voting Labour is unlikely to put them in charge, but a few loudly gc mps from any party will get noticed and that changes the way others decide to act about it, makes them consider it more, think about where the votes come from and gives support to other mps speaking up (fucking joke that an mp of all people wouldn’t feel safe speaking up, but that appears to be the reality we live in now).

Guineapigsarepigs · 05/02/2021 13:42

I think KS just wants this issue to go away. It won't though. He needs to put it to bed one way or the other.

Yes. It might already be too late. I don't know how long it would take to rebuild trust, even if KS came down on the side of the equality act.

HettieMillia · 05/02/2021 13:43

You have a fair point there iwillsqueakagain. I think if people don't want to sully their hands with a Tory vote, then at least ask your MP the question outlined by Janice turner. Get the response in writing. Send an email. Send a tweet and screen shot it if they reply. But don't vote for any mp that hasn't got women's backs.

HettieMillia · 05/02/2021 13:47

We should start a thread with a screen shot of responses from them, so if one is your area, then we will have the response recorded here as a resource thread.

IWillSqueakAgain · 05/02/2021 13:51

I think it’s very important candidates understand how women decide who to vote for.

Like I said I’ve never voted Tory and I can’t imagine doing so, for a whole number of reasons. But I greatly appreciate the baroness’ public work for women and joined the conservatives for women email list off the back of that. If my Tory mp (very safe seat) ever replied to my email about this and was prob women publicly I think I would vote for him if there’s no other candidate who will back women publicly for me to choose from. Like I say I’m big on spoiling my ballot, long before all this, as a way of engaging in the democratic process even when there is no safe choice of candidate. So my vote is very much up for grabs, I’m exactly who candidates should be trying to appeal to. Yet if my Tory mp would stand by women and kick up a public fuss I would wear his fucking face on a T-shirt and go around telling everyone why.

He’s a grade a dickweed so I doubt he would ever commit to shutting down self id and standing by women. But any candidate who will would get the same response from me.

boatyardblues · 05/02/2021 13:56

@ilovesooty

It certainly wasn't a safe seat when Sobel was elected.
And it isn’t now he’s trumpeted his misogyny so boldly in the public domain.
MichelleofzeResistance · 05/02/2021 14:13

He's found a nice outlet for his own bigotry: rampant gynephobia.

HettieMillia · 05/02/2021 14:30

Yep no ones interested in this type of phobia: gynophobia

We need to make MPs take notice of this. Or vote their sorry gynophobic arses out.

DeRigueurMortis · 05/02/2021 15:20

@IWillSqueakAgain

I think it’s very important candidates understand how women decide who to vote for.

Like I said I’ve never voted Tory and I can’t imagine doing so, for a whole number of reasons. But I greatly appreciate the baroness’ public work for women and joined the conservatives for women email list off the back of that. If my Tory mp (very safe seat) ever replied to my email about this and was prob women publicly I think I would vote for him if there’s no other candidate who will back women publicly for me to choose from. Like I say I’m big on spoiling my ballot, long before all this, as a way of engaging in the democratic process even when there is no safe choice of candidate. So my vote is very much up for grabs, I’m exactly who candidates should be trying to appeal to. Yet if my Tory mp would stand by women and kick up a public fuss I would wear his fucking face on a T-shirt and go around telling everyone why.

He’s a grade a dickweed so I doubt he would ever commit to shutting down self id and standing by women. But any candidate who will would get the same response from me.

I feel very similar. I'm a former LP member and quit over self id.

I've voted Labour in every election since turning 18 albeit with a very heavy heart in recent years. But no more.

My local Tory MP has lived in the constituency all his life and works very hard to support local issues (notably being vocal especially on environmental issues) and his constituents.

He was pro remain but after Brexit backed "the choice of the people" in his words. He seems to have no aspirations for the front bench which is probably just as well under Boris as he's definitely on the left of the party. He's also GC - not that he shouts it from the rooftops but he's against self id and would not support any erosion of the EA.

Compare and contrast to the local Labour candidate in the last election. Came to the area as a Uni student and was immersed in student politics. Did some work in policy before getting the candidacy. Fully on the momentum gravy train. Believes TWAW.

Who do think will get my vote next time?

There's no party I can support anymore so I'm voting on a candidate basis from now on and Labour are definitely going to have to raise their game with who they put up for election to get my vote in the future.

lifeturnsonadime · 05/02/2021 15:33

I would like to know if this is the official Labour Party position.

I would also like to know how it is tenable that the Shadow Minister for sport to believe that there should not be single sex sporting competitions.

How dare he say that anyone who supports the Equality Act 2010 as it is currently drafted is a bigot.

Fuckingcrustybread · 05/02/2021 15:37

@ilovesooty

Absolutely nothing would or could convince me to vote Tory. I couldn't countenance throwing all less privileged people under a bus.
Apart from women, you'll happily throw them under the bus. Go you!