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Friend went snooping

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Sunnyshades5 · 30/01/2021 02:04

I'm really close to a man who's changed his whole life around in the last year! He went through years of struggle that led to bad choices and he ended up in hospital. I won't go into huge details.

He's months and months sober.
Earning good money and working 5-6 solid days a week.
He's rescued a dog as part of his recovery. The dog gives him something positive and keeps him company.
He's skilled in what he does and is always getting offers for work. He's popular and seems to be supported alot. He also reaches out to anyone struggling and offers to tell them how he did it. He often gets contacted because he really has turned around.

We didn't plan to become close. But we met through a friend and developed an instant friendship. We are several months into a really close friendship. It's cups of tea and conversations. I can call him anytime. He can call me. We catch up everyday and once life resumes more we will probably go out and about places. Overall he's just lovely and I think the world of him. We help eachother with anything the other can't do.

I know his story. He's told me all the details. Why it happened. What happened. How it ended. He also told me part of his recovery is to be honest about his past. He told me he was terrified of meeting new people and opening up. But he felt safe talking to me and I know it was a massive thing telling me.

My best friend was curious about him as we've been close a while now. So I told her all his good points. Told her he's had some struggles and kept his story private mostly.

She went digging. I think her heart was in the right place. But her husband works in the same Industry and she sent him to work to dig out info. She then text me to ask if I was free for a walk.

I went to meet her. She asked to see his photo. Then she told me her husband had found out he's a p**s head. He's done this and that. She told me everything he had openly told me. I thanked her for caring. Told her he's not hiding anything. He's told me in detail everything she just said. I then said all I can say is he's like this now. He's turned his life around. He didn't want to be that person. He didn't enjoy being that person. He's trying to lead a normal life now and whilst I can't say he never will relapse he's currently living a normal life.

I'm just upset with it. People love gossip. People find it so easy to judge. To Tear someone to pieces. I fully expected one day my friend would meet him. But now she's made me feel like she's written him off. I just feel she had no right to snoop. Go fishing for information. Go discussing me with men who do not know me. What if it gets back to my friend. How is he supposed to feel?

How would you feel? I do understand people would have seen him when he was poorly and that will be their view on him. But I still feel my friend had no right.

OP posts:
Fuckityfucksake · 30/01/2021 16:13

[quote Theunamedcat]@Fuckityfucksake

My parents were alcoholics too my mom will never accept this and feels superior to my dads second wife who is the complete dictionary definition of an alcoholic its not a nice way to live as a child[/quote]
Flowers

LolaSmiles · 30/01/2021 16:18

There's a worrying number of posters who seem to rush to defend intense relationships with men who clearly have a closet full of skeletons and think it's entirely reasonable to take an addict's version of events at face value.
It's also worrying how many posters seem to think it's being a mean and nasty bitchy killjoy to suggest caution before getting wrapped up and infatuated with an addict who is early in the recovery journey. I wonder how many posters on this thread are saviours who enjoy the validation of fixing men with issues.

Is it really that unreasonable to advise caution before developing an intense relationship with an addict in the very early stages of recovery?

wewillmeetagain · 30/01/2021 16:35

Your friend sounds like a nosey, judgemental gossip! I would go mad if one of my friends interfered in this way! Only time will tell if your new friend really has turned his life around for good, although his honesty is a good sign. Just enjoy your new friendship but be aware that things could change.

username4214 · 30/01/2021 16:39

OP you come across as someone who has never had a close relationship with someone with dependency issues.

He sounds as though he was bad as well, like he nearly killed himself through drink and ended up in hospital. Irrespective of anything else, alcoholics are constantly walking a tightrope and he is barely a year sober.

You seem to be falling for a hard luck story, where he deserves some kind of credence for turning his life around. You have no idea of the trail of destruction that he may have left behind. Alcoholics are selfish OP. Their primary concern is booze, and they lie and treat people like trash to drink.

I'm sure he has good points, Charles Manson could play guitar but it doesn't mean you should get involved with him. I advise you to back off completely and see how this unfolds but it sounds as though you are absolutely smitten and are not listening to advice.

I'm in two minds about what your friend did. It's not ideal to snoop but it sounds as though she has every right to be concerned for you. However, I think this is going to be a case of live and learn. Once this car crash has completed its trajectory, you won't be so quick to jump into another relationship with someone with severe dependency issues.

Godimabitch · 30/01/2021 16:59

My dad went snooping on my then boyfriend, came back to tell me he'd lied about his identity and was actually this that and other. Shockingly, there were two people with the same name in our town Grin it's a dangerous game to play!
She had no reason to be concerned, was just being nosey. The fact she used her husbands work to get info on him is very bad. I'd be upset too.

LolaSmiles · 30/01/2021 17:04

She had no reason to be concerned, was just being nosey. The fact she used her husbands work to get info on him is very bad. I'd be upset too.

Yes, no reason at all. It's so shit to have friends who express concern at intense relationships with addicts who are early in their journey. It's terrible of them to see a friend minimising a man's past because he likes her and she can fix him.

Her friend didn't use her husband's work to get information. Her husband is in the same line of work and people develop reputations if their conduct warrants it.

Cocomarine · 30/01/2021 17:05

@Godimabitch interesting that you conclude that the best friend had no need to be concerned, when a lot of people just going off one post find a reason to be concerned in the way that OP writes about him. The minimising, the possible manipulation (the only one he can talk to) the obviously crushing on him, the possibility the OP is blinded by being a rescuer...

Of course we could all be wrong, but if worrying enough in her words in one post, I think the best friend may have had every reason to be concerned!

You can argue she overstepped, especially involving the husband. But I don’t think she had no reason for concern!

Even moreso if some posters are right about the name change and this man is also violent.

Redruby2020 · 30/01/2021 17:06

@MaelyssQ

A close friend of mine had an affair with a man she worked with and left her husband for him. Shortly after they had set up home together, she discovered he was an active alcoholic. How he had managed to hide this beforehand, I have no idea. She lost shared custody of her 2yo son who has lived with his dad ever since.

Friend's partner gets sober for months and months and then relapses. He's never made it to a year. He's lost so many jobs because of his drinking. He's been to various rehabs funded by his parents. He has no contact with his ex-wife and 3 daughters.

But my friend has a saviour complex and can't and won't leave him now. She has given up so much for this man but firmly believes that one day his sobriety will stick. In the meantime she's left with a partner who soils the bed, gets arrested frequently, suffers injuries from falls and fight, is enable to hold down a job,s and she is constantly on high alert for the next disaster. It's no way to live.

Wow that's sad, she let herself lose her kids for this man, it's hard it really is, I know, I have grown up with a drinker, and had a long term relationship and a child with one, but despite all the wanting to change someone or help them etc, I couldn't put that over my child!
youvegottenminuteslynn · 30/01/2021 17:12

@LolaSmiles

She had no reason to be concerned, was just being nosey. The fact she used her husbands work to get info on him is very bad. I'd be upset too.

Yes, no reason at all. It's so shit to have friends who express concern at intense relationships with addicts who are early in their journey. It's terrible of them to see a friend minimising a man's past because he likes her and she can fix him.

Her friend didn't use her husband's work to get information. Her husband is in the same line of work and people develop reputations if their conduct warrants it.

This.

From the way the OP speaks about this man it is clear there is huge potential for a codependent relationship. That would always concern me if it was my best friend.

OP says she did mention certain things to her friend, alongside the good things, which no doubt rang alarm bells as it's clear OP feels this guy is ideal so what felt like little issues to her were probably red flags to an outsider.

I'm an ex addict. I have a very healthy relationship now and am free of addiction.

If I had met someone in the year or two after I quit, I would have been ripe for codependency / someone enabling me to not take responsibility for myself and do the hard work necessary to get better.

I did that work and the pay off is being clean and being able to have healthy relationships.

Meeting someone a couple of months after a first try at sobriety and it becoming so intense so quickly (daily contact) shows that addictive behaviour is still very present and some of that behaviour is apparent in the dynamic with OP.

Also IME anyone who says 'you're the only person I've been able to speak to like this before...' has actually ended up being someone who opens up incredibly quickly, making people with healthy boundaries feel very uncomfortable which means those with unhealthy boundaries are the ones who believe they are different. The fact seems to be, again this is IME, they aren't the only ones who've been opened up to - they're just the ones who have allowed rapid and intense revelations to continue.

Imworthit · 30/01/2021 17:19

'lies and manipulation go with the territory' I really wanted to hate this comment but there is a lot of truth to it.

This isn't alway true of sober alcoholics, often they dont remember the way they acted so they are not necessarily manipulating or lying purposefully about their version of events, they have a very 'rose tinted' (wine tinted) view of it. They are often very hurt and confused by the things they are supposed to have done and may not even believe it of themselves. I know many people who have had serious drinking problems and completed changed their life around, never touched the bottle again, my mum and dad for example. But yeah if they get back into bad habits its gonna sneak back up on you. I have a friend who is amazing sober & so sweet. Gets long periods of time dry and is a great friend. The problem is she's a horrifying drunk, nasty and vicious. I've had to ban her from my house and I get major stress when she calls not knowing if she's sober/lying or not. It's such a sad disease. People get judged for years even when they are doing their best but I have to say OP your knight in shining armour view seems nieve, dangerous and your saviour/victim dynamic unhealthy. if your still reading I would seek councilling as to why you need to mother this person?

Imworthit · 30/01/2021 17:23

Ignore my babbling @allyouvegottenminuteslynn said it perfectly

Imworthit · 30/01/2021 17:34

And yes I'm also an ex addict. I have a very healthy relationship now and am free of addiction. I sought intense therapy also. Avoided non family relationships for more than two years, both romantic and plotonic.

The 'lies and manipulation go with the territory' comment just triggered me.

I need to cut off my friend actually because she is seeking co-dependancy.

Confusedandshaken · 30/01/2021 18:09

If a close friend of mine had a blossoming relationship with an ex addict or criminal who worked in my DH's/DS's/mate's/my industry I would undoubtedly put some feelers out to see what his/her reputation was. No snooping or accessing confidential files. Just ' Have you come across X? What's he/she like?' If the word came back that they were an essentially sound person who had some minor problems I'd be happy for my close friend and say no more about it. If I heard of serious issues i hope I would be brave enough to tell my friend what I'd heard.

In this case the friend has done just that and by the sounds of it has lost the OPs friendship. Not by lying or gossiping, just by confirming what the OP apparently already knew. It's very sad it came to that but at least the friend knows she did her best by the OP.

That's a really good friend IMO. OP was lucky to have her.

Confusedandshaken · 30/01/2021 18:26

'Lies and manipulation go with the territory'.

This is so true. My closest living relative is a recovering addict. She's been clean for over 6 years now and I hope she always will be. As recently as last year yet another massive and dangerous lie she told in the grip of her addiction came to light. At the time she had me totally fooled. She was wholly convincing, even to me who was fully aware of her condition and probably knows her better than anyone else in the world.

With hindsight I think I wanted to believe her so I didn't query her lies as I should have done. I wanted to think she was in control and on the path to recovery. I still love her dearly and always will but in the back of my mind I mentally doubt and double check any little thing she says now. I hope that over the years that will stop and I will trust her again but it will take a long, long time.

A few months clean is nothing OP. It's a wonderful step in the right direction but your friend still has a long, long way to go.

B33Fr33 · 30/01/2021 18:49

A lot of people will run from dependency issues for a very good reason. She wasn't gossiping. She was warning you, she just didn't realise he's already hooked you in. Those with dependency issues learn to be extraordinarily manipulative and deceptive.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 30/01/2021 18:54

She wasn't gossiping. She was warning you, she just didn't realise he's already hooked you in. Those with dependency issues learn to be extraordinarily manipulative and deceptive.

Spot on. The codependency risk is so clear in the first post, incredibly so. Which is especially worrying if OP is the one who previously wrote about someone similar who also had a violent incident in their past.

Was that thread deleted or can anyone link it? I remembered it when reading the OP as it reminded me of it. Similar style of writing too. And the not replying when people have mostly written posts saying to watch out, red flags everywhere.

Unfortunately when people are codependent they tend to double down into an 'us against the world' mentality when their dynamic is challenged. So that dynamic becomes more and more intense and the outside world becomes more of an enemy, including and friends or family who query if it's healthy.

VettiyaIruken · 30/01/2021 18:58

More than anything, I'd feel guilty that I had shared any part of his private information with someone he didn't consent to having it.

mathanxiety · 30/01/2021 19:23

Also IME anyone who says 'you're the only person I've been able to speak to like this before...' has actually ended up being someone who opens up incredibly quickly, making people with healthy boundaries feel very uncomfortable which means those with unhealthy boundaries are the ones who believe they are different. The fact seems to be, again this is IME, they aren't the only ones who've been opened up to - they're just the ones who have allowed rapid and intense revelations to continue.

THIS ^^

@Sunnyshades5, you are clearly vulnerable to this gambit and because of that you should be concerned for yourself.

Polyxena · 30/01/2021 19:44

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moanieleminx · 30/01/2021 19:55

I can't find be previous thread?

Cam2020 · 30/01/2021 19:57

She's a good friend- she's didn't snoop, her husband has people on common and she asked about him, like lots of people would, hardly Magnum PI. It wasn't gossip - she told you 1:1 what she'd found out. You're being over-sensitive.

LolaSmiles · 30/01/2021 20:16

Unfortunately when people are codependent they tend to double down into an 'us against the world' mentality when their dynamic is challenged. So that dynamic becomes more and more intense and the outside world becomes more of an enemy, including and friends or family who query if it's healthy.
This, and one partner (usually the one with more issues, addictions or controlling tendencies) will turn on the guilt trip about their partner's friends and family . E.g. "They just don't like me... it's because of my past... they are so judgemental and unpleasant... how can you stand by and let them say that... if we were really friends /if you really loved me then...."

Bluntness100 · 30/01/2021 20:35

If a close friend of mine had a blossoming relationship with an ex addict or criminal who worked in my DH's/DS's/mate's/my industry I would undoubtedly put some feelers out to see what his/her reputation was. No snooping or accessing confidential files. Just ' Have you come across X? What's he/she like?

Everyone would. In fact it wouldn’t even need to be ex addict or criminal. If you found your mate was seeing someone who worked in the same industry as your husband you’d totally say “Sharon’s seeping John smith, he works in your industry, do you know him? “

No one would say “gosh think I better not tell my husband”

alltoomuchrightnow · 30/01/2021 21:00

OP, she's NOT torn him to pieces.
She doesn't want to see YOU torn to pieces.

BertramLacey · 31/01/2021 09:37

Shockingly, there were two people with the same name in our town grin it's a dangerous game to play!

Good job the OP's friend checked by seeing a photo then.

Also IME anyone who says 'you're the only person I've been able to speak to like this before...' has actually ended up being someone who opens up incredibly quickly, making people with healthy boundaries feel very uncomfortable which means those with unhealthy boundaries are the ones who believe they are different. The fact seems to be, again this is IME, they aren't the only ones who've been opened up to - they're just the ones who have allowed rapid and intense revelations to continue.

Not just your experience. Jane Austen knew it hundreds of years ago - it's the first clue that Wickham isn't right, he overshares with Elizabeth on first meeting her. Being at that point young and naive Elizabeth doesn't see it. But JA was right, it takes a long time to get to know someone well and 'first impressions' (the original name for P&P) do not always last.

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