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AIBU?

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Friend went snooping

375 replies

Sunnyshades5 · 30/01/2021 02:04

I'm really close to a man who's changed his whole life around in the last year! He went through years of struggle that led to bad choices and he ended up in hospital. I won't go into huge details.

He's months and months sober.
Earning good money and working 5-6 solid days a week.
He's rescued a dog as part of his recovery. The dog gives him something positive and keeps him company.
He's skilled in what he does and is always getting offers for work. He's popular and seems to be supported alot. He also reaches out to anyone struggling and offers to tell them how he did it. He often gets contacted because he really has turned around.

We didn't plan to become close. But we met through a friend and developed an instant friendship. We are several months into a really close friendship. It's cups of tea and conversations. I can call him anytime. He can call me. We catch up everyday and once life resumes more we will probably go out and about places. Overall he's just lovely and I think the world of him. We help eachother with anything the other can't do.

I know his story. He's told me all the details. Why it happened. What happened. How it ended. He also told me part of his recovery is to be honest about his past. He told me he was terrified of meeting new people and opening up. But he felt safe talking to me and I know it was a massive thing telling me.

My best friend was curious about him as we've been close a while now. So I told her all his good points. Told her he's had some struggles and kept his story private mostly.

She went digging. I think her heart was in the right place. But her husband works in the same Industry and she sent him to work to dig out info. She then text me to ask if I was free for a walk.

I went to meet her. She asked to see his photo. Then she told me her husband had found out he's a p**s head. He's done this and that. She told me everything he had openly told me. I thanked her for caring. Told her he's not hiding anything. He's told me in detail everything she just said. I then said all I can say is he's like this now. He's turned his life around. He didn't want to be that person. He didn't enjoy being that person. He's trying to lead a normal life now and whilst I can't say he never will relapse he's currently living a normal life.

I'm just upset with it. People love gossip. People find it so easy to judge. To Tear someone to pieces. I fully expected one day my friend would meet him. But now she's made me feel like she's written him off. I just feel she had no right to snoop. Go fishing for information. Go discussing me with men who do not know me. What if it gets back to my friend. How is he supposed to feel?

How would you feel? I do understand people would have seen him when he was poorly and that will be their view on him. But I still feel my friend had no right.

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TurquoiseDragon · 30/01/2021 12:22

OP, your friend is coming at this from a place of caring. I get the impression she's actually worried for you. For a friend to go digging, they think something's wrong.

I would guess you've been gushing over this bloke, no matter how you were careful to stress he's a friend in your OP.

You don't know this man well, he's only been sober a year. And, as other pp have mentioned, it's not just the drink it's the other things you've hinted at.

It sounds very intense, and almost as if you've been love bombed. And I've grown up with a couple of alcoholics in my family. They were very charming, and also very manipulative.

You need to be very careful. Right now, I think you're in danger of being badly hurt.

Superfoodie123 · 30/01/2021 12:24

I think its a bit weird your friend went out of her way to research a man you're seeing to be honest. Unless you have a track history of dating abusive men I wouldn't want to look into friends new partners for no good reason. I'd find it intrusive OP. Do you have a history of picking unsafe men?

He sounds like he's turned his life around and everyone deserves a 2nd chance but just be cautious

Theunamedcat · 30/01/2021 12:27

@Fuckityfucksake

My parents were alcoholics too my mom will never accept this and feels superior to my dads second wife who is the complete dictionary definition of an alcoholic its not a nice way to live as a child

axile234 · 30/01/2021 12:27

I think. You think there could more good in this man than bad . Your so called friend had no right to do what she did . Your old enough to know right from wrong . And if you choose to take this man under your wing . Good for you . But now you have brought your problem here . And the killjoys are just filling your head with crap

BillieSpain · 30/01/2021 12:28

Urrgh! I loathe 'friends' like this.

Told her DH too... open discussion for her, clearly. Nasty.

Go with your gut OP

AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter · 30/01/2021 12:29

Both things are happening here:

  1. Your friend is being weirdly invested in your relationships. I completely understand her looking out for you but "digging" for info like this is odd
  2. You are investing WAAAAY too much trust in someone you really know nothing about. Sure, you know what he has told you but words are really really easy to say and promises easy. The real proof is in the behaviour which you have not had the chance to properly observe. You sound infatuated with this person and are putting him on this pedestal that he really doesnt deserve. be very very careful- he could easily relapse and addicts are very very very good liars.
Bluntness100 · 30/01/2021 12:30

@axile234

I think. You think there could more good in this man than bad . Your so called friend had no right to do what she did . Your old enough to know right from wrong . And if you choose to take this man under your wing . Good for you . But now you have brought your problem here . And the killjoys are just filling your head with crap
Really? What if she’d posted he is a drunk who violently assaulted his ex and served time for it? Would you still be saying the same? Because she’s clearly hinting at something more than drinking in her op and posters think she’s posted before about him being violent to an ex.
Dinnafashyersel · 30/01/2021 12:33

None of your supposed friend's business unless you are in some way "vulnerable" and incapable of forming your own judgements.

Bet most MNers partners have enough skeletons in the closet to spin any cautionary tale a "well meaning" friend with a nosey controlling DP liked.

Really surprised by most of the comments to the contrary. I would never dream of digging into a friend's private affairs freelance unless I was so concerned I was notifying officialdom. My DH would think I was losing the place if I suggested he do it on my behalf.

Thelnebriati · 30/01/2021 12:35

Her husband works in the same industry, I think its likely they knew each other.

BlueTimes · 30/01/2021 12:36

The only way your friend could have known to ask her DH would have been because she recognised his name or something about him and it probably worried her. I imagine your current behaviour is also a concern to her.

You sound alarmingly infatuated with a man that you have only known for a few months. A man who is an addict. Addicts are very skilled manipulative liars. And you’re already looking at ditching your best friend over him because she was looking out for you. So I think YABU and you will undoubtedly look back on this in the future and feel embarrassed about that you couldn’t see that.

BillieSpain · 30/01/2021 12:36

which makes it worse...

NerrSnerr · 30/01/2021 12:39

I wonder if the friend went 'digging' for a reason. As PP has said it sounds like he has a violent past and I wonder if she'd heard that previously from her husband so wanted to find out more. Too many women are hurt or killed by violent men they are or were in relationships with. I understand he is sober right now but that may not last forever and the OP needs to go in with open eyes.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 30/01/2021 12:39

Your so called friend had no right to do what she did . Your old enough to know right from wrong . And if you choose to take this man under your wing . Good for you . But now you have brought your problem here . And the killjoys are just filling your head with crap

Honestly it's scary how many adults in the world don't know right from wrong.

"Killjoys filling your head with crap" ? I'm not sure anyone is filling the OPs head with anything. Perhaps you should rephrase that as "people who may have experience of addiction, and know its not all fun and games, and saving someone to be a hero".

Can't get over the use of killjoys in a situation like this!

axile234 · 30/01/2021 12:45

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Blondiney · 30/01/2021 12:49

@MorningNinja

She sounds like a good friend to me by looking out for you. I'd have done the same.
Yep, me too.
NerrSnerr · 30/01/2021 12:49

@axile234 I'm curious, have you ever lived with an alcoholic? I don't think anyone is doubting that he's doing his best to turn his life around but less than a year sober is massively early days and the chances of relapse are high.

Bluntness100 · 30/01/2021 12:49

@Thelnebriati

Her husband works in the same industry, I think its likely they knew each other.
I think that’s likely because the friend didn’t say he was an alcoholic. She said he was a piss head. She also says she understands people who saw him when he was “poorly” would have that view of him

So this is more he is known.

The op must have told her he worked in the same industry as the friends husband, because the friend didn’t know who he was. If that’s the case it’s totally natural to say to your husband oh my friend is seeing x, do you know him, he works in your industry. That’s not sending him to snoop.

The fact the friend could then recognise him from his pic indicates there is something unsaid here. I think thr op is doing on this thread what she did to her friend, presenting him as well as possible and not wanting to admit the truth of it, because she knows the reaction.

madroid · 30/01/2021 13:10

Where has the OP gone?

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 30/01/2021 13:11

@axile234

Bluntness100 .Get off your soap box . And stop taking in all the gossip . she clearly states she knows all about him and he's trying to turn his life around . It's all about facts and you have none first hand BUTT OUT
For a start this is a public forum, OP posted for opinions. You have no facts either, but it seems there could be more to the OPs story. Dont think she has come back has she? And "BUTT OUT" "killjoys" you sound about 12.
IamtheDevilsAvocado · 30/01/2021 13:14

@KitKat1985

2 things stand out to me:
  1. Your friend is concerned about you and this man, and whilst I can appreciate where you are coming from, there must be a reason for this.

  2. There's a lot of 'minimising' in your post about what this man has done and you obviously don't want to share details about what he has done. This speaks volumes to me about you wanting to bury your head in the sand about the 'bad bits'.

I'm not saying this man hasn't changed and turned his life around, but as anyone who has worked with addicts will tell you, they can be very manipulative, and lots of addicts eventually relapse; so just take your time with him and don't make any hasty decisions.

This....

I think as well, your minimising his past.... What was so bad... Was it violence /child abuse /drunk and disorderly /fraud??

Many addicts are very good at covering their continued use... Yes they may be encouraged to share info about themselves to new people in their lives...
BUT this will be passed thriguh their lens of what they think you can tolerate.

I think your pal may well be looking at for you.

My pal got very involved with an ex addict... Seemed a nice bloke, met him briefly ... He had to suddenly move out when social services got wind he was living with her and 7 year old.... It turns out he was still drinking and importantly had sex offended against kids when drunk. He died of overdose soon after.

axile234 · 30/01/2021 13:25

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Bluntness100 · 30/01/2021 13:26

Axile are you the op? Why are you lashing out and attacking people like this?

AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter · 30/01/2021 13:28

Bluntness100 .Get off your soap box . And stop taking in all the gossip . she clearly states she knows all about him and he's trying to turn his life around . It's all about facts and you have none first hand BUTT OUT

Butt out? LOL - the OP ASKED for opinions on a public message board.
If OP had wanted people to "butt out" as you say, she wouldnt have posted it publicly and invited people to volunteer their opinions.

sueelleker · 30/01/2021 13:30

She had no right to pry into his private business. It's OK to tell you things she already knew, but to get her husband to look things up is way beyond the pale. Can you report him to his business for using his work to look into someone's private affairs? (I hope he's not in medicine, as this could lose him his job-HIPAA and all that)

VanGoghsDog · 30/01/2021 13:32

@Fearandsurprise

Your new friendship sounds rather intense. Your best friend sounds like she is concerned about you.
Yeah, this. You sound a bit evangelical about this guy, in thrall to him. I expect your friend just thought it was worth finding out more about him.