AIBU to think women should not be banned from Social media for asking the question - Thread 3

[Thewithesarehere]

Many women have been suspended from sm for asking the question:

“Do you believe that male sexed people should be allowed access to changing rooms and showers for female sexed people and teenagers?”
Seems like a perfectly reasonable question which we should be allowed to ask.

Let’s vote with our AIBU.

I can't be arsed with transgenderism, it's very boring.

I'd be very interested to hear from a MtF what the point actually is?

Because every time I've engaged it seems some nebulous bollix.

Perhaps trans people should start crowd funding for legal cases.

Go for it.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

You are all viewing this from an ideological perspective

Your stepchild has grown up. You are entirely commenting from an ideological perspective, as you don't have to deal with toilet issues now.

For the love of God, type lived experience into google. I'm not coming at you from a hypothetical 'this is what I would do.' I'm telling you what I did do, and the experience of having done that.

And it might shock you, but my sd didn't just poof into thin air the moment she turned 18. She's still kicking around here somewhere, we still go out in public, and -and you might need to sit for this one- sometimes when we're out in public, she still needs to pee.

For the love of God, type lived experience into google. I'm not coming at you from a hypothetical 'this is what I would do.' I'm telling you what I did do, and the experience of having done that.

I know what lived experience is. I just don't think that means yours and your grown up child's lived experience trumps everyone else's.

But the gloating "you can't stop me/them" is quite telling. I don't think it's particularly edifying.

And what happens if they gets a typical male health issue. Will they accept that however they present, effective treatments must be used according to sex. And if they can accept that, what is the big deal about being in male ward with others suffering similar conditions? And if that why on earth not other facilities for the same sex?

I don't not care about men. They are perfectly able to care about themselves.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

For the love of God, type lived experience into google. I'm not coming at you from a hypothetical 'this is what I would do.' I'm telling you what I did do, and the experience of having done that.

I know what lived experience is. I just don't think that means yours and your grown up child's lived experience trumps everyone else's.

I didn't say it did, but I've yet to see anybody relay any lived experience. It's all strangly specific hyperbolic hypotheticals like what if I'm alone with my daughter in the toilets at McDonald's at 3am on a Tuesday morning and this one very specific bearded transwoman-this one here right here in this photo- walks in with a throbbing erection that he has painted pink, tells us it's name is Sharon, then thrusts sharon suggestively at us?

Like, I'm sorry, am I supposed to take that seriously? That's paranoia.

Like, I'm sorry, am I supposed to take that seriously? That's paranoia.

Tell that to the two girls who were victims of sexual assault by Katie Dolatowski. Would you tell them, would you look those children in the eye and tell them that they are experiencing paranoia?

I didn't say it did,

It's very clear that's what you think. My lived experience as a woman means I don't want males in female spaces. There are many many women who feel the same way.

@Fastedbrownie. I'd maybe listen to you if you were even vaguely cognoscent. Your talk is nonsense though.

Please get your head around this: it is not just that women expect not to be raped in the toilets, we have other expectations of privacy, dignity and for our consent to be respected by males.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

I didn't say it did,

It's very clear that's what you think. My lived experience as a woman means I don't want males in female spaces. There are many many women who feel the same way.

Please, most everybody on this forum has a lived experience of being a woman, but I'm assuming you have no experience in raising a transchild, therefore, anything you have to say on it is ideological. Like I said, it's very easy to say 'if it was me, I would just say they need need to use the male toilets' but I can assure you that wouldn't be the case. There comes a point where you just have to get on with it because you can't be dealing with a public meltdown everytime your child needs to pee. Ideology ends where real life begins.

assuming you have no experience in raising a transchild, therefore, anything you have to say on it is ideological

I'm not commenting on "raising a transchild", as unlike you I don't believe it is or should be the central focus of everyone's existence. I'm commenting on my experience of being a woman and needing a female only space. So your views about whether other women's lived experiences are trumped by yours and your stepchild's are ideological, as you don't necessarily have their lived experience.

@Impatiens

That's a really grotesque post *@Fastedbrownie*, why on earth do you need to use language like that?

Because that's the sort of language strewn throughout this thread?

Lots of parents have to deal with public meltdowns, it isn't exclusive to trans children.

No @Fastedbrownie the only such disgusting language I've seen on the thread is your post at 2.40, that's why I raised it.

Please, most everybody on this forum has a lived experience of being a woman

Yes. But not everyone has the same experiences, common though they are. Or experience them in the same way, or are able to deal with them the same.

I think you seem to have a problem with empathy with other women and girls. That "nameless faceless" comment was quite shockingly tone deaf.

As was your "witty" dismissal of the concerns of women.

Anyway. I would like to reiterate that I don't think women should be banned from social media for asking people if women should actually be able to have genuinely female only spaces. As that is the OP here.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

assuming you have no experience in raising a transchild, therefore, anything you have to say on it is ideological

I'm not commenting on "raising a transchild", as unlike you I don't believe it is or should be the central focus of everyone's existence. I'm commenting on my experience of being a woman and needing a female only space. So your views about whether other women's lived experiences are trumped by yours and your stepchild's are ideological, as you don't necessarily have their lived experience.

No, but if you have no understanding of why people do it then what do you expect? That if you just scream and stamp your feet long enough that transwomen are going to be like shit, She's right. Let's use the males?

It's not going to happen. I'm explaining to you realistically why it's not going to happen without getting into any of the trans activist 'all women are women' 'female penises' Ideology. My Sd is not going to stop using the female toilets, none of her friends are going to stop using the female toilets, and neither me or my other friends with trans children are going to try and stop them because we can't. If we could've, we would've, but there comes a point when this is your life that you need to accept it for what it is and move on for the sake of both your own and your child's mental health.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Please, most everybody on this forum has a lived experience of being a woman

Yes. But not everyone has the same experiences, common though they are. Or experience them in the same way, or are able to deal with them the same.

I think you seem to have a problem with empathy with other women and girls. That "nameless faceless" comment was quite shockingly tone deaf.

Yes, I have more empathy for my own highly distressed child than I do for a nameless, faceless potential girl. Show me a mother who wouldn't and I will show you a liar.