AIBU to think women should not be banned from Social media for asking the question - Thread 3

[Thewithesarehere]

Many women have been suspended from sm for asking the question:

“Do you believe that male sexed people should be allowed access to changing rooms and showers for female sexed people and teenagers?”
Seems like a perfectly reasonable question which we should be allowed to ask.

Let’s vote with our AIBU.

I'm actually baffled by your posting on this thread. You seem to think the feelings of women and girls count less than those of your male stepchild. Do you think you're justifying that, even though this adult person's toilet habits are no longer your responsibility, so you are speaking purely in ideological terms? You aren't.

So what would yo suggest as an alternative to my two female Muslim residents who cannot use the same facilities as biologically male bodied people? What are they supposed to do? What about my patients recovering from sexual trauma?

I guess they have to suck it up.

When I say alternatives, I mean realistic ones. Not fantasy.

It's not a fantasy. If anyone gave a fuck about women and girls, no one would accept males invading their single sex spaces. Third spaces would be the only possibility.

Yes I guess third spaces are the only option, though as an adult why is the worst that can happen if they use the facilities for their sex. I would hope they have grown up enough to relieve that bd behaviour does not Leary’s result in the rest of us capitulating . And yes I have experienced children nd teens with. a range of behavioural issues.

Yes sorry. A choice between the facilities for one's own sex, and third spaces would be the only possibility.

When I say alternatives, I mean realistic ones. Not fantasy

So campaign for third spaces, lobby for them, just as women had to do for our spaces and our rights.

Nonsense again, what is the worst thing? And usually not Leary.,

@PoleToPole

When I say alternatives, I mean realistic ones. Not fantasy

So campaign for third spaces, lobby for them, just as women had to do for our spaces and our rights.

Okay, but as somebody said earlier, why would I do that? This is not our problem. I have no issue with sharing a bathroom with my sd. I have no issue with a transwoman using the stall next to my two biological female daughters in a public toilet or shower, or a transchild at their girl guide meeting. I do have a problem with transathletes in our sport, and I communicate to our governing body about that. But this, toilets, is not my issue. I'm not doing anything about it.

I've not read the three threads. I'm a (I guess) a 'rad-fem' who was fomented by a CND mother in the 80's that took me to Greenham Common. I was brought up by women who had had enough. They were (and still are) the first-wave femenists.

I will not take bollockry from young women that don't respect the women that paved the way for them.

No.

These women put up with so much shit, so much.

My mother did. My mother stood up and said no!

Don't make their efforts meaningless by denying womanhood, and making feminism what men have always wanted. Which is sexualised women, in a way that suits men. No. Nope.

Okay, but as somebody said earlier, why would I do that?

Out of respect for women and girls. Males have no right to access female spaces. Why wouldn't you want to find a solution where everyone was happy?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Okay, but as somebody said earlier, why would I do that?

Out of respect for women and girls. Males have no right to access female spaces. Why wouldn't you want to find a solution where everyone was happy?

Because there is no solution where everybody is happy, so I need to pick my child's happiness over the happiness of some nameless, faceless girl.

I do have a problem with transathletes in our sport, and I communicate to our governing body about that.

Can I ask why you have a problem with transatheletes in sports?

Because there is no solution where everybody is happy, so I need to pick my child's happiness over the happiness of some nameless, faceless girl.

Do you think these posts are coming across well?

Fastedbrownie

I have no issue with a transwoman using the stall next to my two biological female daughters in a public toilet or shower

But earlier in the thread you wrote:

No, I don't. I think 'transwomen' with beards, etc, are really just men with fetishes

So are you happy with these people using a stall next to your two biological female daughters?

Of course most people put their own children first over everyone else's. But it isn't really how society should function.

@PoleToPole

I do have a problem with transathletes in our sport, and I communicate to our governing body about that.

Can I ask why you have a problem with transatheletes in sports?

Because there is actually a physiological advantage there. For example, I grew up doing figure skating. My children (including sd) grew up on ice. Because fs is a physics based sports, in which is shape of the pelvis is particularly important, there is no way in which it can be made remotely fair for males and females to compete against each other. All the best hormones in the world won't reshape a pelvis and make it more aerodynamic or lower the center of gravity.

So what if your stepdaughter decides she wants to compete in womens` figure skating Fastedbrownie? Would you support her?

It's nice that you have cherrypicked which bits of trans ideology you wish to follow. Have a chat with some TRAs on social media about your sports beliefs l and see whether they differentiate between you and all the women here who care about other issues for women and girls.

So it’s happiness for a male to deceive girls and women versus safety and privacy for all the others we don’t have to think about, Really? Kind of proves the points made about needing validation and only interested in getting what they want at others expense.

I think the last few pages of this thread shows beyond doubt that those with the legally protected characteristic of gender reassignment and those associated with them are now pretty much excluded from the world's largest parenting website unless they are prepared to tolerate relentless aggressive abuse based on their gender reassignment or the gender reassignment of their child. Looks a lot like indirect discrimination to me.

Perhaps trans people should start crowd funding for legal cases.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Of course most people put their own children first over everyone else's. But it isn't really how society should function.

Yes, but again, this is where we are differing. You are all viewing this from an ideological perspective, I am viewing this from a lived experience of dealing with a living, breathing human being with needs and feelings whose emotional and physical wellbeing I was responsible for. I didn't have the privilege of saying 'well, you might be busting for the toilet, but this isn't how society should function.'

Nameless, faceless women and girls, no less. Not like this nameless faceless adult male person we're being told about, of course.

You are all viewing this from an ideological perspective

Your stepchild has grown up. You are entirely commenting from an ideological perspective, as you don't have to deal with toilet issues now.

but this isn't how society should function.'

The point is that of course society shouldn't function around one male's needs being privileged over those of all the women and girls that male person invades the intimate space of. And I think you know it isn't actually reasonable for one kid's needs to override everyone else's, and I'm not sure why you're here.

Day in day out I treat women and girls who have been raped, abused and mutilated by men. That is not ideological, it is every day reality, and not just one person, many, many women and girls.