AIBU to think women should not be banned from Social media for asking the question - Thread 3

[Thewithesarehere]

Many women have been suspended from sm for asking the question:

“Do you believe that male sexed people should be allowed access to changing rooms and showers for female sexed people and teenagers?”
Seems like a perfectly reasonable question which we should be allowed to ask.

Let’s vote with our AIBU.

Comparing transgender to a mental health issue in that manner is easily one of the most offensive things I've read yet.

Why is it offensive?

It is a body dysphoria.

It is based on "feelings" about the body. Feelings which can't be measured or quantified, and which women are expected to accommodate even, it seems, if it places them or their children at risk.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

You can expect all you want but in a public space you don t get to control that

It's a female only public space. I've never got to control whether males come in, they can always barge their way in there. But it's about decency. Any male who doesn't give a shit about the privacy and dignity and feelings of women and girls and thinks it's all about them is not a decent person. Women and girls are not props in male lives. Most women don't want males, any of them, in female spaces.

It's nice that you think a reasonable response is that they can't do anything about it, so tough. Really empathic.

Trans people have been using spaces inline with their aquired gender for decades and have the legal right to do so. The vast majority of single sex spaces are on private property and as such it is down to the owner of the property who goes where as long as they remain within the law.

Trans people have had legal rights to use spaces inline with their aquired gender since 1979, this was strengthened in 1999 and strengthened further in the 2010 Equality Act. There are very limited exemptions to this which providers may choose to adopt on a case by case basis. These rights were introduced through the normal democratic means after full debates and votes in Parliament. That's how our democracy works.

Trans people have had legal rights to use spaces inline with their aquired gender since 1979, this was strengthened in 1999 and strengthened further in the 2010 Equality Act.

No it wasn't. The legal characteristic of gender reassignment for MTF transsexuals gives no special protected access to women's spaces that other males don't have. The single sex exemptions cover all males/females, they weren't put in place because of gender identity.

Got it in one. You don't care about the damage being done to my child, why should I care about yours?

And you think this is a healthy attitude to have? Is that going to help your child to be part of society, living a useful enjoyable life?

Pitting them against the very group they claim to have a special empathy with is a massive misstep.

Transwomen like this have not been using spaces inline with their aquired gender for decades and do not have the legal right to do so, jj1968.

But campaigners are lobbying for them to do so.

This would mean that women would no longer have the right to challenge a man in the women's loo, because they wouldn't know if he was a man or identified as a woman.

Who do you think that would benefit?

Can't believe trans activists are STILL trying to flog that awful Montgomerie article on JKR. Hilarious.

And you think this is a healthy attitude to have? Is that going to help your child to be part of society, living a useful enjoyable life?

Pitting them against the very group they claim to have a special empathy with is a massive misstep.

This.

Can't believe trans activists are STILL trying to flog that awful Montgomerie article on JKR. Hilarious.

Hadn't noticed that, had to go and look!

@lifeturnsonadime

Well, what about my daughter's feelings? You can't ask me to shed a tear for yours a breath after willfully disrespecting mine

Would your daughter object to a third space which seems the most sensible compromise?

If not why does she put her feelings count more than those of the sex she identifies into?

Third spaces do not for the most part exist so it is largely irrelevent.

@Impatiens

Can't believe trans activists are STILL trying to flog that awful Montgomerie article on JKR. Hilarious.

I am not even trying to talk about that anymore. All I am trying to stay focused on is the OP of this thread and my own question about clinical trial data on these puberty blockers and mastectomies in teen girls who are not allowed to bloody drive a care yet or have sex yet, but are allowed to remove irrecoverable and essential tissues from their body under the very nose of their parents. And go on HRT when their body is already fighting hard to balance the puberty hormones.

[quote Thewithesarehere]@Fastedbrownie
And let me remind you in no uncertain terms this time: under your watch, a child went down the path of using drugs that have woefully insufficient clinical data to back such a huge, life-changing decision.
I am not expecting you to understand how my daughter will feel in an enclosed space with a biological male when you didn’t understand this about your own child. You may be able to live with that. I can’t and I won’t.[/quote]
Yeah, under the supervision and advice of over a dozen medical professionals as treatment for clinically diagnosed gender dysphoria that was causing debilitating mental distress. I have zero regrets.

Then keep your daughter safe at home then. No skin off my back, but I'm not locking mine away for the comfort of yours. I can't and I won't.

Sorry about that @Fastedbrownie.
Between son and daughter argument, I completely forgot this point. My apologies

@Ereshkigalangcleg yeah I saw it out the corner of my eye in the flurry of posts - I mean, it was totally lame to begin with so I highly doubt it's improved with age! lol.

Third spaces do not for the most part exist so it is largely irrelevent.
But surely we should all fight together to create them?

Thanks for the reminder @RootyT00t.

All I am trying to stay focused on is the OP of this thread and my own question about clinical trial data on these puberty blockers and mastectomies in teen girls who are not allowed to bloody drive a care yet or have sex yet, but are allowed to remove irrecoverable and essential tissues from their body under the very nose of their parents. And go on HRT when their body is already fighting hard to balance the puberty hormones.

Fair point sorry - it just pooped up on the thread and I was amazed to see it being still touted. I'll stick to the point now.

Then keep your daughter safe at home then

"Women - get out of public space, get back to the kitchen, men are re-claiming what's rightfully there's and sending you back to the home".

ideas4development.org/en/unexpected-link-access-toilets-womens-rights/

Third spaces do not for the most part exist so it is largely irrelevent.

Contrary to the nonsense that keeps being stated as fact transpeople without a GRC do not have have never had the right conferred upon them in law to use Single Sex spaces of the sex they identified into.

Now that the definition of what a transperson has changed to such a degree that any man who says he is one is one on the basis of self ID it is absolutely appropriate to discuss options so that single SEX spaces can be maintained.

What is shocking and shows what a one way street this is is the reluctance of TRAs to acknowledge the feelings of the class of people they identify into based upon the fact they say they 'feel' like them.

How can you claim to feel like a woman and then not give a flying fig about women's feelings about single SEX spaces?

I smell a rat.

@Thewithesarehere

Third spaces do not for the most part exist so it is largely irrelevent. But surely we should all fight together to create them?

Fill your boots. Personally I very much doubt a campaign to force the business sector to spend hundreds of billions of pounds redesigning their buildings to accommodate the roughly one on 300 people who is transgender is likely to be very successful. And even in the unlikely event it were it would take decades to implement. What do you expect her daughter to do in the meantime?

Then keep your daughter safe at home then. No skin off my back, but I'm not locking mine away for the comfort of yours. I can't and I won't.
What do you say to a safe space for your child? Surely that is the best option for all involved? Your child will feel safe and mine will feel secure too. Together, women and trans women can create a very strong movement to lobby for this and get results far quickly.

I will not comment on your no response on clinical data anymore because it seems obvious you have no understanding of it and left it to the people who assured you about it.

Sorry, men are reclaiming what's rightfully theirs not theres

No skin off my back, but I'm not locking mine away for the comfort of yours. I can't and I won't.

I think that's how many of us feel.