AIBU to think women should not be banned from Social media for asking the question - Thread 2

[Thewithesarehere]

Many women have been suspended from sm for asking the question:
“Do you believe that male sexed people should be allowed access to changing rooms and showers for female sexed people and teenagers?”
Seems like a perfectly reasonable question which we should be allowed to ask.

Let’s vote with our AIBU.

Sex change operations are when ‘their existing sexual characteristics are altered to resemble those socially associated with their identified gender.’ Resemble. No one can actually change sex.

Your bottom paragraph- how many abusers do you think go into women's toilets, in comparison to...their own homes? Do only men abuse ?

Abuse comes in many forms. For instance, currently there has been an increase in voyeurism which also includes taking footage of children. (Do please look up child sex abuse offences this past 12-18 months).

And regards to 'men only abuse' (like we don't get that one all the time), have a look at the stats as we keep pointing you to for the %.

Who are you fighting against?

Groups who wish to implement leglislation that brings conflict to women's rights. And I am active in doing it. Rather than you name calling and assuming that everyone is 'anti' anything and denying people exist, how about you actually read some the things that posted.

I still don’t understand why I was called transphobic ?

@Impatiens

Telling a man he could not possibly know what it feels like to be a woman is denying trans.

Please explain how a man can know what it feels like to be a woman. How? How can a woman know what it feels like to be a man? It's nonsensical.

The only way to be a woman is to be female, so it isn't possible for a man to know that what they're feeling is feeling like a woman.

That's not the point here the point is people are claiming no one is denying trans. That is what this is.

Is it weird I read that in the voice of Chandler Bing?

I'm not quite as much of a wag as Chandler

@littlbrowndog

I still don’t understand why I was called transphobic ?

I've apologised . It wasn't at you.

No, I'm Barbara from Kent

That's not the point here

It is too.

Thank you

Did someone call?

@DeaconBoo

Just to clarify in case it's not clear - as is outlined in the Glinner link - the NHS trust were discussing how they could EXCLUDE (that's the opposite of "inclusion", for those at the back) an LGBT activist and rape survivor from attending hospital appointments because she'd requested a biological female for an intimate procedure.

She found out by coming across her own letters requesting this being described as 'highly discriminatory' and 'unacceptable' when googling.

I didn't know that!

@Winesalot

Your bottom paragraph- how many abusers do you think go into women's toilets, in comparison to...their own homes? Do only men abuse ?

Abuse comes in many forms. For instance, currently there has been an increase in voyeurism which also includes taking footage of children. (Do please look up child sex abuse offences this past 12-18 months).

And regards to 'men only abuse' (like we don't get that one all the time), have a look at the stats as we keep pointing you to for the %.

Who are you fighting against?

Groups who wish to implement leglislation that brings conflict to women's rights. And I am active in doing it. Rather than you name calling and assuming that everyone is 'anti' anything and denying people exist, how about you actually read some the things that posted.

Active in what way? I have no need to read anything.

The issue was whether you 'the we you talk about ' should be allowed to discuss these issues. Based on posts, I'm saying no.

Whether or not you or I think that anyone should be in a changing room is not the issue

@BarbaraofKent

Did someone call?

There will be hundreds of sex change operations taking place you need to make sure those silly doctors understand that's not a thing!

They don't actually change a persons sex though. You surely don't really believe they do?

(It's a weird thing, but on a parenting board we do know what sex actually is.)

A so-called 'sex change' may change the appearance of external genitalia and secondary sexual characteristics, and remove various reproductive organs. But the most it can do is to 'unsex' a person, and change their appearance. If that helps them to live a a happier life then great. But to say it's a 'sex change' is inaccurate, and it's particularly bad when you consider youngsters for whom it can mean sterility and often loss of sexual function.

That's not the point here the point is people are claiming no one is denying trans. That is what this is.

I'm starting to feel a bit like the 'they know we know they know' scene in Friends!

Let's rewind a bit.

What is a woman?

What is a transwoman?

@Theluggage15

Sex change operations are when ‘their existing sexual characteristics are altered to resemble those socially associated with their identified gender.’ Resemble. No one can actually change sex.

Semantics.

Would you say that to someone having any other kind of reconstruction? Of course you bloody wouldn't.

Just to clarify in case it's not clear - as is outlined in the Glinner link - the NHS trust were discussing how they could EXCLUDE (that's the opposite of "inclusion", for those at the back) an LGBT activist and rape survivor from attending hospital appointments because she'd requested a biological female for an intimate procedure.

She found out by coming across her own letters requesting this being described as 'highly discriminatory' and 'unacceptable' when googling

YY. They used it as an example of "transphobia" in a staff training.

Not it's not

It's starting a bleeding obvious fact
No man can know what it's like to be a woman

They can guess what it's like , can think they know , they can feel they know But they can't

Let's rewind a bit.

What is a woman?

What is a transwoman?

Good luck with that!

That's not the point here the point is people are claiming no one is denying trans. That is what this is.

Then, again, your points are dishonest and designed to frame people who don't agree with your claims as somehow being morally wrong.

We are all well aware that trans people exist in the sense that people who say they are trans are part of society and have existed for enough years to require legislation to be put in place to ensure they are protected from discrimination.

People don't have to accept that someone who says they 'feel like a woman' is stating a provable truth in order to know that trans people exist.

It's like I can't know what it's like to be you

@ErrolTheDragon

There will be hundreds of sex change operations taking place you need to make sure those silly doctors understand that's not a thing!

They don't actually change a persons sex though. You surely don't really believe they do?

(It's a weird thing, but on a parenting board we do know what sex actually is.)

A so-called 'sex change' may change the appearance of external genitalia and secondary sexual characteristics, and remove various reproductive organs. But the most it can do is to 'unsex' a person, and change their appearance. If that helps them to live a a happier life then great. But to say it's a 'sex change' is inaccurate, and it's particularly bad when you consider youngsters for whom it can mean sterility and often loss of sexual function.

Right.

So now you want to invalidate their physical appearance as well as their feelings.

All so you can have your own changing rooms.

So are the trans people that agree that people can not change sex and do not deny their biological sex, also denying the existence of Trans people?

@Impatiens

That's not the point here the point is people are claiming no one is denying trans. That is what this is.

Then, again, your points are dishonest and designed to frame people who don't agree with your claims as somehow being morally wrong.

We are all well aware that trans people exist in the sense that people who say they are trans are part of society and have existed for enough years to require legislation to be put in place to ensure they are protected from discrimination.

People don't have to accept that someone who says they 'feel like a woman' is stating a provable truth in order to know that trans people exist.

You can use all the roundabouts you like.

'who feel like they are ttans'

They. Are. Trans.