To ask what conspiracy theories you actually believe are true?

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Following on from the thread where OP was looking for conspiracy theories for her kids to look at, I was wondering whether anyone actually believes any of the outlandish conspiracies.

We’ve all read about how people believe that Elvis didn’t die/Paul McCartney did die/the royals are all lizards/the earth is flat. But I’ve never encountered anyone who actually believes any of them, only people who talk about people who (apparently) believe in them.

So, what conspiracies do you actually believe and why?

[quote Cam77]@Hammonds
From my limited experience, I think flat earthism has a deep psychological aspect. Deep down they know it’s BS, but it’s like they love having something totally “out there” to believe in and they love the community/club/religion that goes with it. In many cases it’s less conspiracy or symptom of being off your rocker and more crazy new religion/society for the bored and mischievous. Just my take.[/quote]
For my friend personally I think it’s to do with him thinking his intelligence exists on a higher level than most plebs. 911/covid/alien abductions isn’t enough - he has to go to the level where there is disc shaped worlds and many many versions of those worlds exist with in each other. He does look a bit like Jesus and he probably smoked a bad batch of weed in the 90s

@MistressoftheDarkSide

With 9/11 and 7/7 I did find it a bit odd they were conducting real time exercises around eerily similar scenarios when the real thing kicked off. Once is a coincidence but twice? Hmmmm

Just like event 201 which was in October 2019..

www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html

Reading about and chatting about conspiracy theories is not 'doing research' or giving your brain a workout.

We are just a bunch of bored procrastinators swapping anecdotes, joining invisible dots with squiggly lines.

There are so many really important mysteries in our own lives, like why do we argue with our DH so much? How can we spend more time talking to friends? Why aren't we as healthy as we want to be? Why can't we spend some time 'researching' those really important questions? Why do we witter on with a group of strangers about things which have no bearing on our lives.

So, I'm going to log off now. I enjoyed reading this thread but it's all a load of displacement activity time wasting really.

@Oooohbehave

I think Jill Dando was assassinated to shut her up because she knew too much about Jimmy Saville and possibly the others too.

Yep

"Many people also remember watching Nelson Mandela’s funeral on tv in the early 90s but he didn’t die till 2013."

They mean the concert surely?

The nurse who committed suicide didn't give out the information. She simply fell for the accents and passed the call on. I don't think it's dodgy, she felt stupid and had MH issues, perhaps she worried about her job. It's not inconceivable she would have killed herself.

It's not inconceivable - we sadly don't know how mentally fragile anybody might be at any time. I just think it's extremely unusual. She was able to hold down an important job at a very prestigious private hospital - and what did she do to cause herself such dreadful embarrassment? She took a phone call and transferred them to another department - not direct to Kate or William - that's all. Yes, the voice/accent was a bit unusual, but she herself was foreign-born in the UK, so she would be well used to not everybody having cut-glass RP accents.

You learn not to judge as many people do have unusual voices and accents. If, say, Joe Pasquale or Janet Street Porter weren't famous, and you took a call from them for the first time, you might suspect they were putting on a fake voice - but you'd obviously be completely wrong - and could cause a lot of embarrassment, awkwardness and annoyance if you challenged them.

Slightly off-topic, but I remember a story in the news from years ago where a very softly-spoken, high-pitched gay man was understandably furious, because every time he tried to use phone banking, he was told "I'm sorry, Madam, but we can only talk to the actual account holder" and then refused further service to do his own legitimate banking with his own account. He took his complaint to the media and the bank did not come out of it looking very good or professional in the least.

Ah yes @Hammonds. So many coincidences eh?

@bottleofbeer

Why would they all be sterile just because mules are?

Why does the woman's body create antibodies against her own offspring? Why can't they find the cause of rh-? We know where every other blood type comes from.

Some people are exploring the historic global distribution of people who are rhesus negative. Anthropologist Robert Sepehr has been exploring this - his you tube videos are fascinating.

@medebourne

The reasons people give for the RF possibly wanting to bump off Diana are laughable and say more about how (non aristocratic)English people see the world.

• Princess Diana and Charles were NOT the first royals to divorce! Not only that, divorce has always been much more common in aristocratic circles than in the general population. The parents of both Diana and Sarah Ferguson were divorced. Upper class people have always lived

different kinds of lives to us. Lots of travelling and different homes, being able to afford divorces, women having inherited income. This led to a separate bedrooms/turn a blind eye culture. Plus the fact that if you are upper class you really don't have to worry about being seen to be respectable. You simply are respectable by virtue of your position.

• Dodi Fayed being a Muslim would really not be a problem for the RF. It's only a problem for Daily Mail/Express readers. Aristocrats have always mixed with people from different countries/cultures including (shock!) Muslims.

• Princess Diana was not pregnant! Why do people keep repeating this? The autopsy showed she was not pregnant and her good friend Rosa Monckton has said she was not pregnant.

Why do people project their own ideas about respectability on to the royal family? In my opinion there are perhaps reasons why Princess Diana was a thorn in the side of the royals but it was little to do with having been divorced or having a Muslim boyfriend.

I’ll catch up later but 👏👏👏👏

@2021newhope

That's because the aliens have sabotaged them since the original ones

@LemonSwan

I love the silly ones. They are so entertaining. Like the Avril Lavigne one. I dont believe them but in my boredom sometimes search them and have a good laugh.

The serious ones on the other hand are pretty distressing. I dont really believe the conspiracies but they do leave a little niggle. Its something about the imagery of 7/7 and 9/11 targeting iconic symbols of our culture. The NY skyline, the Red Bus, the London Underground. It all seemed a bit too well thought out like they were designed by a marketing agency.

I also remember the day of 7/7 because my family were all in London. A police man came on the news and was completely naive to what he was saying about how impressed he was that they were already briefed and assembled before hand for a test at the exact locations only for there to be an actual terrorist attack. Calling it good luck.

I struggle also to believe we have no CCTV of the terrorists on the underground.

A good few years after I went on the Mi5 recruitment and they were looking for photoshop specialists.

So its nots that I believe the conspiracies but there is a little niggle.

That's interesting.

I lived and worked abroad for both 9/11 and 7/7. So watched it on foreign news!

I knew my dad was going to London on 7/7. Waiting to get through to him was the longest 30 minutes of my life that it took.

If only there hadn't been a real lab specifically researching bat viruses in close proximity to the wet market......

@medebourne

If you don't want to give your brain a workout why even post on this thread?

We're not really giving our brains a workout though are we? We're frittering away our time staring at a keyboard being sucked into things which have no bearing on our lives.

In the meantime we're putting of fthings we should be doing (work, engaging with DCs) or even things we actually enjoy doing like speaking to friends, exercising or reading a book.

I include myself in this. Engaging in conspiracy theories is really not 'research' or expanding our knowledge it's a displacement activity.

Actually this is working my mind. It's making me think critically.

I don't buy into most conspiracy theories but I like to look into why some people may question aspects that have been presented as fact.

And I'm more than capable of wfh, engaging with DS, being on MN and going for a long walk all in one day.

I'm clever like that

@formerbabe

I don't believe Princess Diana's death was an accident.

Quite. I think Meghan is in danger of being ‘Diana’d’

Why would they have cooked up such an elaborate scheme involving so many people when it could've been scuppered by her simply wearing a seatbelt?

As if

The FBI have admitted to using "gullible" and sometimes even the less we educated or otherwise challenged to engineer terrorism plots then take them down at the last minute. It has been speculated that the 7/7 terrorists were recruited for an exercise that followed through. And yes @LemonSwan, sometimes things seem rather too "well organised" to push emotive buttons.

There is a really good one that the Ark of the Covenant really did exist and it was actually a giant capacitor and made the mana from heaven and was gifted to the Israelites by Aliens who wanted to help them leave.

Frederick Rogers, the Dean of the Department of Engineering at the Lewis Institute of Technology in 1933 written an article about it and in the Chicago Tribune.

I love biblical or religious ones. The conspiracy theory podcasts keep me going during the first lockdown

What intrigues me about the climate change deniers is that the actual truth (i.e. the climate emergency) has all the elements that normally give conspiracy theorists a massive bonk-on. Namely:

We're all doomed
Governments all round the world fully aware
And have the means/power to avert catastrophe
Yet are downplaying the danger for selfish reasons

Honestly, if the mainstream narrative was that climate change wasn't a thing, the conspiracy theorists would be insisting that it was.

Ooh did you see the recent news about the fighting going on in Ethiopia around the church that supposedly houses said Ark?

[quote MsPeachh]If anyone is really interested in different human species, there’s evidence that early humans interbred with Neanderthals. Our early ancestors did a bit of experimenting on their way out of Africa it seems!

www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/01/more-neanderthal-dna-than-you-think/[/quote]
That reminds me, the 'out of Africa' theory - that's a conspiracy too...
If that's true, then a significant proportion of my university degree was a waste of time!

That Diana was murdered. A car crash could be made to look like an unfortunate accident and then what happened after that ensured she didn’t survive it. Ambulance drove a circuitous route to hospital, took ages to get her there etc. And we have no idea who was in the ambulance or what drugs she might nave been given. Or just if her heart stopped due to the accident and they didn’t revive her. If there was a ‚clean job made of bumping her off it would have aroused immediate suspicion. This way allowed for the consensus being an accident.

There's also another theory about HS2, linked in with Agenda 21 and sustainability - whereby rewilding of vast areas of the UK has been proposed, with humans banned from going there and disturbing the balance. The suggestion is that we're being told there will be very few stops in order to make it faster, whereas the few big, built-up city sprawls where it does stop will actually be the only places that humans are allowed to live or go - it won't stop in the countryside and current small towns because the vast majority of people (other than officials and rangers etc.) will have neither need nor permission to be there in the first place.

It does sound very far-fetched (although A21 is documented and officially published) - but it does seem strange how ruthlessly determined the government are to drive it forward. It's costing an astronomical fortune, is politically ruinous and is just so anachronistic in a country where high-speed broadband is also being rolled out and so many people (even more so with the post-pandemic 'new normal') working and meeting online.

Who cares about saving 20 minutes to travel to Birmingham on the odd occasion? And if you're travelling every single day, to make the time savings add up, wouldn't you just relocate or look for a job elsewhere - or, far more likely for a white-collar job - join the 21st century and take advantage of the ability to work from just about anywhere for the great majority of your working days?

I love the Trump time travel one! Here's more about it:

www.snopes.com/fact-check/baron-trumps-marvelous-underground-journey/

Oooer, chills.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/24/fabled-ark-could-be-among-ancient-treasures-in-danger-in-ethiopias-deadly-war

@Hammonds

Fidel Castro was Justin Trudeau’s father.
I’d love for aliens to be real. Bob Lazar stuff is good to read/watch, mainly for entertainment purposes.

Years ago on a similar thread a MNer shared a link that suggested Jackie Kennedy shot her husband. It was very convincing.