To ask what conspiracy theories you actually believe are true?

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Following on from the thread where OP was looking for conspiracy theories for her kids to look at, I was wondering whether anyone actually believes any of the outlandish conspiracies.

We’ve all read about how people believe that Elvis didn’t die/Paul McCartney did die/the royals are all lizards/the earth is flat. But I’ve never encountered anyone who actually believes any of them, only people who talk about people who (apparently) believe in them.

So, what conspiracies do you actually believe and why?

Nobody is speculating that Diana's own parents were involved in a conspiracy. That's the difference between speculation about her and the child.

@SunshineXX1

David Kelly was not a suicide.

The spy in the sports bag was not a sex game that went wrong - he was murdered by security forces.

All those financiers (including poor Trinny’s ex-husband) that committed suicide by jumping over balconies were definitely pushed.

Diana wasn’t meant to die in that crash, but Dodi definitely was. The week before she died the papers were full of an exclusive story she was going to announce that weekend. Think the security forces panicked that she was marrying him, or was pregnant. We’ve never been told what the press exclusive was, but the TV ads prior to running the story were definitely shown.

Epstein was not a suicide.

Joshua Molnar, who killed the Manchester Grammar School schoolboy but was then acquitted, is “protected” by a Northern crime family.

Oh yes, the spy in the bag!

This was really awful, and such a patent example of how something truly ludicrous can be concluded by the courts if it's in the interests of the security services.

@medebourne

Nobody is speculating that Diana's own parents were involved in a conspiracy. That's the difference between speculation about her and the child.

Still someone's child though.

Oh well, MN can delete the comment if they want. It's definitely not an unpopular opinion outside of here though.

Something else I find odd is the way new theories pop up years after an event as though they have been debated for years.

My Nana told me alot about JFK's assassination and over the years I've read a fair bit. Then suddenly, a few years ago, the theory that Jackie had a gun in her purse and fired at least one of the shots kept turning up. I had never come across this before and found it quite bonkers, but couldn't find out the origins of it.

There it goes

@Sheleg

I believe that the Right have consistently planted ideas in the Left for several generations now, in order to destabilise it. Identity politics. Anti-semitism.

Hardy destabilising. They're going from strength to strength so it has entirely backfired hasn't it?

I wish I didn't but I believe in Pizzagate and have also been reading a lot about the Wayfair conspiracy in which they sell "furniture" at ridiculously high prices. I hope it isn't real because it's all so disturbing.

Epstien didn't kill himself, there is no way. Twin towers being an inside job, third tower falling and no ccta of the pentagon crash seems nuts to me

@Iwillneverbesatisfied

I don't like some of these conspiracy theories.

I know people who live in NYC, people who work in US military, people who work in NASA, people who work in US politics.

Can't say how I know but the theories about 9/11 and moon landing are just insulting to those very skilled people, to their country and to those who died in 9/11.

That said, I do think there is more to the JFK assassination. I don't think it was related to any political party though.

I don't think there was anything more to diana's death other than a drunk driver, no seat belt, paparazzi chasing them.

Why is it insulting to the people of NYC to suggest that 9/11 wasn't quite what it seemed? I genuinely don't understand this view.

CaveMum

But that’s just plainly ridiculous of them, to pronounce that ALL beliefs of conspiracy/high-level lies and deceit can be explained in one go. Just because a mentally unstable person might believe that the Moon is made of cheese or that the royal family are actually lizards, how does that automatically mean that anybody suspicious of the circumstances of David Kelly or JFK’s death is similarly a sad, deluded loner with a desperate personal need to make up their own drama to fill a hole in their own lives?

Hitler was also allowed to live out the rest of his life in the USA with a body guard till he died.

Where so many of these theories fall down (aside from lack of evidence of course) is motive. Why, if the Americans had hitler alive, wouldn’t they just shoot him and save themselves the bother.

Check out Operation Paperclip - documented fact. A number of quite high-ranking Nazis were taken to the USA after the war and given jobs. I think Arnie's dad (maybe grandad) was one of them.

Also Moon landings seem dodgy to me .It would have been an incredible feat for 50 years ago!

The trope that's always trotted out is that NASA computers in the 60s had less processing power and sophistication than a modern calculator. You're told that to make you respond "Fancy that - the march of technology, eh?!" - but never encouraged to say "Wait a minute - does that sound plausible?". There's also a theory that Stanley Kubrick was involved in the top secret Moon-landing photos, which were, supposedly, filmed in a studio in Nevada - and that he was about to speak out, very shortly before he died.

The NASA engineer answrrrd it saying ‘we’ve lost the technology that allowed us to do it’

As well as hundreds if not thousands of rolls of valuable footage of the event - just lost/wiped/recorded over. I know tape was very expensive then, but we're talking landing on the Moon - not just old episodes of Doctor Who.

And I'm still chortling over the 'Di's death predicted in Morrissey lyrics' one too!

That one is very amusing, but there have been a lot of very strange apparent detailed 'predictions' in episodes of The Simpsons of future events, decades later - even down to the clothes and jewellery worn by the person involved.

Regarding 9/11, for years I could not understand how the towers came down like they did. It just isn't possible as a result of a plane crash..

A couple of years ago I watched a documentary that explained that past a certain temperature aluminium becomes explosive and as aeroplane bodies are mostly made of aluminium to keep them light and one of the planes ended up lodged on a high up floor of one of the towers it made sense that when it exploded the force of it brought the whole tower down.

There is footage showing molten aluminium raining down shortly before that tower fell and while the whole thing is utterly heartbreaking I now believe that there is no conspiracy there.

The Pentagon on the other hand... plus at the time that the news was breaking there was yet another plane that had been hijacked but no follow up, ever. Maybe just misinformation at the time... or maybe not?

The Moon landings? Hmmm. Look into how many US astronauts died at a young age because of random and bizarre accidents. Of course they would love fast cars etc but as a group they would have to have been spectacularly unlucky... or maybe they weren't happy to keep quiet?

JFK - Lee Harvey Oswald was indeed a 'patsy', his cheap rifle had a flaw that made firing off fast rounds impossible. Test firing afterwards proved that no way could that rifle have fired off the 'alleged' shots so quickly.

Marylin Monroe - of course she was murdered. The lethal dose was probably given rectally. Poor lady, such a shame and a terribly sad end.

Global warming - what a load of bullshit! So much so that they've had to rebrand it as 'climate change' and most sane people aren't buying that pig in a poke either.

Meredithgrey1:
My conspiracy theory is that the poster who first mentioned Stephen Fry did so as a joke to make everyone google him, and there is in fact no conspiracy at all.

But that's the whole point isn't it - the fact there is no evidence of a conspiracy theory involving him just goes to prove that there must be a conspiracy theory involving him. If there was evidence of whatever I've made up in my head, it would be a fact and not a conspiracy theory.

Conspiracy theories are by their very nature reliant on ignoring established facts and evidence, and giving greater weight to people with ideas they can't substantiate.

All those financiers (including poor Trinny’s ex-husband) that committed suicide by jumping over balconies were definitely pushed.

I read an article on this. Apparently suicide by "jumping" off buildings is the favoured Russian Secret Service method of ridding themselves of those who cross them eg James Le Mesurier.

www.theguardian.com/news/2020/oct/27/syria-disinformation-war-white-helmets-mayday-rescue-james-le-mesurier

Conspiracy theories are the opium of the bored

Alot of the Sandy Hook stuff seemed to come from the idea that Adam Lanza was reportedly on the spectrum and I think some people felt it was a demonisation of the neurologically atypical, similar to the Columbine attackers being loosely "Goth". So I think people went into overdrive to try and distance the "label" from the actions.

In fast moving situations the media doesn't help when it reports things that are wrong to keep air time interesting, and doesn't fully retract / explain the "mistakes" Some will seize on an error and it becomes Canon like technological Chinese Whispers.

Conspiracy theories are the opium of the bored

Yes! and the procrastinating.

Get off this thread everybody and do something more productive which you won't regret later. I include myself in this!

@bellinisurge

Conspiracy theories are the opium of the bored

Some conspiracy theories are obviously nonsense but I think it's equally silly to blindly believe everything that is presented to us. There's plenty we don't know and plenty that is hidden from us.

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

Are you familiar with the concept of synchromysticism? A very fascinating subject indeed.

@yvanka

I spent some time looking into the Avril Lavigne conspiracy, and I thought that might have some truth in it

I thought this was ridiculous until I watched the video... now I am a staunch believer

What video. Please could you post a link.

Or as Dirk Gently would say.... everything is connected

[quote Daftasabroom]@elevenplus2021 I don't think it's odd at all. I think it's a huge expense for probably very little gain. If you think the major NASA manned programmes have been, Apollo moon, Skylab, Shuttle, ISS. I cant see where another or ongoing moon programme would fit. Space is being increasingly commercialised and militarised. Most science based projects are looking at the sun, mars and various comets and asteroids.[/quote]
I'm a well educated and logical person but I do think it is strange that the only successful crew moon landings were those that coincided with a very small group of astronauts during the time Nixon was president.

After that, the space programme continued but NASA (or other countries) did not manage a soft landing until 2006 (a soft landing is a requirement, of course, for a crewed space mission).

It's very odd.

The Moon landings? Hmmm. Look into how many US astronauts died at a young age because of random and bizarre accidents. Of course they would love fast cars etc but as a group they would have to have been spectacularly unlucky... or maybe they weren't happy to keep quiet?

Oh FFS. What about the hundreds of others that would have to have been involved? Were they all killed too? By your logic, working at NASA in the 60s, you must have had the life expectancy of a gerbil!

Dr. David Kelly

Dr David Kelly's suicide.

For those who like the detail, here are the results of a University of Alaska study, for which all the details of simulations WERE made public (and are thus available for scrutiny, unlike the shady "models" of the official NIST investigation). This indicates that WTC7 could not have fallen in the way it did as a result of fires.

files.wtc7report.org/file/public-download/A-Structural-Reevaluation-of-the-Collapse-of-World-Trade-Center-7-March2020.pdf