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To ask what conspiracy theories you actually believe are true?

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AlternativePerspective · 27/01/2021 19:42

Following on from the thread where OP was looking for conspiracy theories for her kids to look at, I was wondering whether anyone actually believes any of the outlandish conspiracies.

We’ve all read about how people believe that Elvis didn’t die/Paul McCartney did die/the royals are all lizards/the earth is flat. But I’ve never encountered anyone who actually believes any of them, only people who talk about people who (apparently) believe in them.

So, what conspiracies do you actually believe and why?

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HarrysWife · 28/01/2021 00:39

Why fake a pregnancy?

@Jetatyeovilaerodrome I dont believe we have had a royal baby born by surrogate / IVF /medical intervention yet in the UK. Anyone that knows differently please correct me. People already believe Harry is not a legitimate royal (his dad assumed to be James Hewitt), Meghan is overall hated so the abuse towards the Sussex's (M & Archie in particular) if he wasnt a "legitimate" royal would be horrendous.

For the record I believe she carried her baby and maybe used a bump to "bloom" and keep the press happy.

AdobeWanKenobi · 28/01/2021 00:39

Fascinating article here thoroughly debunking the Titanic conspiracy

titanicswitch.com/claims.html

UnderperformingSeal · 28/01/2021 00:41

@HollyGoLoudly1

Ah I've just seen that someone has already said Titanic. Apologies!
Accepted Grin
WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 28/01/2021 00:42

Whatever the truth is or isn’t of COVID (and Event 201 and Fauci’s prediction seem a bit odd), Porton Down have released at least one virus on the general public to see what the results would be – it’s documented and was featured on the ITV news.

The secret services have conducted a lot of extremely clandestine experiments, that would be very controversial if they got out – that’s basically their job. MK Ultra and Operation Gladio/Stay behind are also documented fact.`

I wonder exactly what Gary McKinnon did find. I can well believe the claims that the US and UK have a bilateral agreement in place to spy in great detail on each other's citizens' web usage and mobile phone records and 'share' information, to technically sidestep the laws that make it illegal for them to do it to their own citizens.

Didn’t Diana clearly talk about ‘dark forces’ and suggest that the royals might arrange a car crash to get rid of her? I don’t know if it’s true/proven, but I read that the Pont D’Alma Tunnel was built on a piece of land that was historically connected with making sacrifices to and worship of the goddess Diana – not sure if there’s anything in that or just made up. I also think the worldwide outpouring of extreme grief was extraordinary to say the least. Yes, she was popular and a young mum of young kids, so you’d expect sadness and people wanting to pay their due respects; but millions of people around the world who never met or knew her were so devastated and reacted as if it had been their own family member who’d died.

Not sure of it's a conspiracy, but prophet Muhammad and Jesus never existed. They were fictional characters created by war hungry men to control the masses.

I don’t know about Muhammed, but the ‘Jesus never existed’ one is beyond absurd. Obviously, a great many people reject the claims of the virgin birth, that he was the Son of God and that he was resurrected, but his actual existence and crucifixion is accepted as undisputed fact by the staunchest of atheist researchers/historians.

Just about everybody at the BBC knew about Savile – it was no secret. Terry Wogan acknowledged it as such – he and the main person in charge of the Children In Need telethon absolutely refused to let him have anything to do with it. Wogan asked a journalist when they were going to hurry up and expose him, as it was their job – not that of a load of BBC workers and TV presenters. I think Jill Dando and Elm House may well have been connected with this.

I don’t want to cause any upset or tread on any toes here, as it was recent and is very sensitive, but there was one specific tragic incident surrounding the circumstances of Kate giving birth, the given reasons for which seemed far-fetched beyond any belief. If there had been any truth to the suggestion that a surrogate was used, it would have potentially made far, far more sense.

Joan Rivers was apparently in good health and died suddenly following what should have been a standard, relatively low-risk operation (IIRC, her family might even have denied that she'd experienced any medical problems of that kind at all). This happened following her assertion of something that could have rocked the biggest boat there is out there. She was known for finding humour even in the darkest of scenarios, but when she made the assertion, that was the single time I’d ever seen her speak in public without a trace of humour or spark of wit.

Allegedly, there were some very big-name opponents of the establishing of the US Federal Reserve on board the Titanic – and then, just one year later it all went through without a hitch. Also, JFK had signed an executive order that was immensely unpopular with the powerful bankers and other people of influence behind the scenes a few months before his death and he was reportedly about to officially enact it. Sounds extremely convenient to me. In fact, the way money works on a national/global level is essentially one great big conspiracy fact that the average person in the street wouldn't necessarily understand or be able to get their head around.

The one I really don’t get is how the idea of ‘Big Pharma’ is scoffed at as a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Apparently, it’s beyond belief that the multi-billion-dollar international drugs companies might possibly want to keep the status quo and not have their continued income stream threatened in any way. Similarly, but more open to debate, the sudden, mysterious death of Stan Meyer after he filed his patent for, he claimed, a method for vehicles to run on water.

Furries · 28/01/2021 00:43

@Lalliella

What is Pizzagate?
A certain royal saying he was at a certain restaurant whilst certain activities were taking place.
Wartigen · 28/01/2021 00:44

Sophie Wessex’s are IVF.

UnderperformingSeal · 28/01/2021 00:46

[quote AdobeWanKenobi]Fascinating article here thoroughly debunking the Titanic conspiracy

titanicswitch.com/claims.html[/quote]
I shall peruse that with interest tomorrow later today.

MartiniDry · 28/01/2021 00:48

I hate to disappoint people but I had no problem bending to the floor in heels and standing up again from that position when I was 4 or 5 months pregnant. Admittedly I was very fit, but it shows it's perfectly possible.

Now, however, well let's not go there!

Janonomouse · 28/01/2021 00:49

A certain royal saying he was at a certain restaurant whilst certain activities were taking place.
No it isnt.

Pizzagate was the theory that Hillary Clinton and various other prominent Democrats were operating a child sex ring out of various places, including the basement of a certain pizza parlor (that, it turned out, didnt even have a basement).

It is one of the dumbest conspiracy theories of all time.

Janonomouse · 28/01/2021 00:51

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

Unbelievable that anyone believed it in the first instance. Anyone who still believes it is probably very unwell.

sweeneytoddsrazor · 28/01/2021 00:53

A certain royal saying he was at a certain restaurant whilst certain activities were taking place.

Shows how little I know of these things, I immediately thought of Man Utd/Arsenal Blush

UnderperformingSeal · 28/01/2021 00:55

@Janonomouse

A certain royal saying he was at a certain restaurant whilst certain activities were taking place. No it isnt.

Pizzagate was the theory that Hillary Clinton and various other prominent Democrats were operating a child sex ring out of various places, including the basement of a certain pizza parlor (that, it turned out, didnt even have a basement).

It is one of the dumbest conspiracy theories of all time.

To the average football fan it refers to a fractious Man Utd v Arsenal game around 2004 that resulted in some Italian food being thrown around Old Trafford Confused
WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 28/01/2021 00:55

People already believe Harry is not a legitimate royal (his dad assumed to be James Hewitt)

I've also heard of a theory that Prince Philip was actually William's father, and not Charles (no idea what the motive could have been). I don't think it sounds very plausible at all, but I suppose it could all go in the mix of various things that Diana might have known that could have rocked The Firm, had she lived and told. Also, a similar one that James Goldsmith was Diana's real father, based on her extraordinary similarity in facial features to Zac Goldsmith.

I take the 'official debunking' stance with a pinch of salt as well. You never know who is linked to/on the payroll of whom and what hidden agendas they might (or might not) have. It's a well-worn narrative of supposed mentally-compromised, friendless, seriously lacking losers vs the 'facts' that can be ascertained if you listen to the 'experts'; but there are so many variances in opinion and interpretations of the facts between different experts, how can you say that one expert is right and the other is a bonkers charlatan with an ulterior motive. Two facts: some people can be 'bought' and will say anything that they are handsomely rewarded for saying; and experts are people too: why are they inherently any less (or more) corruptible than any other person?

Taking the inquiry into Diana's death for example, it was officially found that it was the result of nothing more than a tragic accident and no conspiracy was involved. However, just suppose that PP had orchestrated it all - and that the people leading the inquiry had discovered 100% undeniable, categorical evidence of that indisputable 'fact' - who honestly, seriously, genuinely believes that this official conclusion would indeed have been released in public? Really?

sweeneytoddsrazor · 28/01/2021 00:59

@UnderperformingSeal glad I am not the only one

Janonomouse · 28/01/2021 00:59

To the average football fan it refers to a fractious Man Utd v Arsenal game around 2004 that resulted in some Italian food being thrown around Old Trafford.
Yes, I remember that well, but obviously it is not the pizzagate conspiracy.

The pizzagate conspiracy theory, involving Democrats and child sex rings, is one of the most prominent conspiracy theories of the last decade and a precursor to QAnon. It has been covered extensively in the media.

It was so stupid that even notable conspiracy nutjob Alex Jones has apologized for promoting it.

Janonomouse · 28/01/2021 01:00

I mean, just type 'pizzagate' into google and I'm sure the first few pages of results will be the Hilary Clinton stuff.

HarrysWife · 28/01/2021 01:00

My mum is rh negative.... does that mean she’s an alien, because she’s bloody good at hiding it in my 32 years 😌

@Ltdannygreen all the best aliens are good at hiding it. shes playing the long game Wink

HollyGoLoudly1 · 28/01/2021 01:01

there was one specific tragic incident surrounding the circumstances of Kate giving birth, the given reasons for which seemed far-fetched beyond any belief

Can you explain? I've tried to look it up but I don't know what this refers to?

UnderperformingSeal · 28/01/2021 01:02

@Janonomouse

To the average football fan it refers to a fractious Man Utd v Arsenal game around 2004 that resulted in some Italian food being thrown around Old Trafford. Yes, I remember that well, but obviously it is not the pizzagate conspiracy.

The pizzagate conspiracy theory, involving Democrats and child sex rings, is one of the most prominent conspiracy theories of the last decade and a precursor to QAnon. It has been covered extensively in the media.

It was so stupid that even notable conspiracy nutjob Alex Jones has apologized for promoting it.

I remember that too, but it will never displace Old Trafford 2004 in my memory of Pizzagate.
im5050 · 28/01/2021 01:03

Jill Dando was murdered to cover up that she had information on what we know now about Jimmy Savile and others

Codswallop20 · 28/01/2021 01:04

I am sure moon landing is BS and also very very uncertain re 911. So much does not add up. Am not anti vax or chem trail or aliens ate the queen mother.

Linnet · 28/01/2021 01:05

I am rh neg and I didn’t get anti D as my husband is also rh neg as are our two children.

Wondering if I should be worried about aliens though 🤔

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 28/01/2021 01:07

There are also conspiracy theories within conspiracy theories - and an additional conspiracy theory that they are deliberately put there and promulgated by those who are involved/guilty.

It might start with a damning fact and, rather than try to silence or gainsay accusers, the guilty person will leak a complicated web of extremely elaborate and obvious falsehoods to become entangled with the central truth, so that the package as a whole (and any proponents - who may or may not be on their own payroll - are roundly condemned across the board as ridiculous and dismissed as pure fiction/fantasists.

Saab9x · 28/01/2021 01:08

@Lalliella

What is Pizzagate?
Something an idiot trump supporters used to shoot up a resteraunt.
UnderperformingSeal · 28/01/2021 01:09

@Janonomouse

I mean, just type 'pizzagate' into google and I'm sure the first few pages of results will be the Hilary Clinton stuff.
True, but when you do "... arsenal" is one of the top suggestions. Along with "... Justin Bieber", and I have no desire to find out why.
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