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To ask what conspiracy theories you actually believe are true?

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AlternativePerspective · 27/01/2021 19:42

Following on from the thread where OP was looking for conspiracy theories for her kids to look at, I was wondering whether anyone actually believes any of the outlandish conspiracies.

We’ve all read about how people believe that Elvis didn’t die/Paul McCartney did die/the royals are all lizards/the earth is flat. But I’ve never encountered anyone who actually believes any of them, only people who talk about people who (apparently) believe in them.

So, what conspiracies do you actually believe and why?

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rubyjoo2 · 28/01/2021 00:03

nothing at all tbh.. i don't believe any conspiracies, the internet is too wild and easy to manipulate, photoshop, etc...

latheritup · 28/01/2021 00:04

9/11
Pizzagate
Illuminati
Diana's death
Pyramids built by aliens

sweeneytoddsrazor · 28/01/2021 00:04

Don't know much about conspiracy theories but I do think Manchester and Bristol/Bath have a 'pusher'

GeidiPrimes · 28/01/2021 00:05

The Hairy Hands of Dartmoor belong to a chimera created by one of the local secret military labs I wonder if he posts on MN pretending to be a laydee Grin

Janonomouse · 28/01/2021 00:07

Oh and then they happened to find the passport (in perfect condition) soon after... not fishy at all..

That's actually surprisingly common and, sincerely, not fishy at all.

The Consporacy Road Trip series the BBC did years back did a pretty good job of debunking the Pentagon conspiracy. The 9/11 episode can be easily found via google.

MsPeachh · 28/01/2021 00:08

@bottleofbeer

Wiki is not your friend if you want proper sources.
Not always, but the scientific paper that came to that conclusion is cited right there and easily double-checked. And it’s a hypothesis that fits in and is pretty consistent with my own knowledge of genetics.
Wouldratherbeanywhereelse · 28/01/2021 00:08

@sweeneytoddsrazor What do you mean?

RiverSkater · 28/01/2021 00:08

@Wagsandclaws

I don't think that Brittany Murphy died of natural causes, or her husband who died in exactly the same way a few months later.
I've just looked that up, so sad and what are the chances? Confused
TravellingTilbury · 28/01/2021 00:08

For a pure fluffy royal unbiased theory, are William and Kate distantly related?

Is there a chance that Diana was not Diana Spencer but Diana Goldsmith (her mother had an affair). So she is half sister with Jemima Khan (nee Goldsmith) and James Goldsmith.

... Kate's mum's maiden name was Goldsmith ... okay, so it is a stretch. But I do think Diana looked v like James Goldsmith and she was v close to Jemima Khan...

CuteBear · 28/01/2021 00:10

Princess Diana’s death wasn’t an accident.
Meghan Markle and Beyoncé weren’t pregnant.
JFK’s assassin wasn’t a lone wolf.
Moon landing wasn’t real.
Pizzagate.

bottleofbeer · 28/01/2021 00:11

The genetics are obvious. Still doesn't explain how or why.

TravellingTilbury · 28/01/2021 00:12

@rubyjoo2

nothing at all tbh.. i don't believe any conspiracies, the internet is too wild and easy to manipulate, photoshop, etc...
Speaking of photoshop, I believe the news corporations use a lot of green screens. eg the 'live' background during an interview isn't of the actual location, despite the interview being live etc.

I think CGIs are also used in 'news' coverage now (probably not on your run of the mill UK interview with Rishi or Grant Schapps though).

Esse321 · 28/01/2021 00:12

Grenfell tower - the conspiracy is that the fire wasn't started by a malfunctioning fridge freezer.

TravellingTilbury · 28/01/2021 00:13

@Janonomouse

Oh and then they happened to find the passport (in perfect condition) soon after... not fishy at all..

That's actually surprisingly common and, sincerely, not fishy at all.

The Consporacy Road Trip series the BBC did years back did a pretty good job of debunking the Pentagon conspiracy. The 9/11 episode can be easily found via google.

Ah, yes, the BBC... The biggest conspiracy of all!
sweeneytoddsrazor · 28/01/2021 00:14

@Wouldratherbeanywhereelse

All 3 places have had a lot of men apparently fall into the canal or docks, which the police have explained away as drunk behaviour, rather than someone pushing them in.

TravellingTilbury · 28/01/2021 00:15

@Vivenne

I think Jeffrey epstein was murdered and didn't commit suicide.
I think he is alive! (possibly)
MissConductUS · 28/01/2021 00:16

But the footage, wreckage, hole and remains don't tally. The hole is too small and the remains are too few. There are plenty of scientists who have questioned the validity of the 'footage' (ie a few clips) v aftermath. It's v odd. Oh and then they happened to find the passport (in perfect condition) soon after ... not fishy at all ...

I guess you couldn't be arsed to look at the link I posted up thread that answered both of these objections, so here are the facts again, from another source. And please provide a link to the "scientists" who are questioning the footage.

The biggest 9/11 conspiracy theories debunked

The Pentagon attack
How can a 125ft plane cause just a 16ft wide hole?

A Boeing 757 commercial airliner is 125ft wide and 155ft long. However, the plane that smashed into the Pentagon left an entry hole just 16ft across and an exit hole of just 12ft wide. How is this possible, ask sceptics? As far as many people are concerned, it is more likely that the Pentagon was hit by a satellite-guided missile controlled by the US military

The official ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report estimates that the hole punched into the outer E-Ring of the Pentagon’s reinforced concrete walls was actually about 75ft across, not 16ft, as has been widely misreported. That Flight 77 didn’t leave a 125ft, plane-shaped hole in the building is accounted for by the fact that one of the plane’s wings disintegrated when it hit the ground before impact and the other wing sheared off on impact, being of too lightweight a construction to penetrate reinforced concrete. The C-ring impact exit hole was, in fact, 12ft wide, not 16ft, and was most likely caused by the aircraft’s much sturdier landing gear punching its way through the building.

Where’s the debris?

Many point to the lack of debris in official photos taken after the plane hit the side of the Pentagon. When planes crash, they usually leave behind huge quantities of debris. How come a large commercial airliner hit a building yet left hardly any wreckage behind?

Most of Flight 77 ended up inside the Pentagon, not outside it.

This claim is directly disputed by eyewitnesses who were first to respond. This includes Allyn E. Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC in Washington. Kilsheimer was the man who found Flight 77’s black box recorder, as well as holding sections of the plane’s tail in his hands and observing a wing impact mark on the side of the building before a large section of the Pentagon’s outer wall collapsed. He also saw bits of body parts scattered around the crash site, as well as crew uniforms and passenger clothing. Also, most of Flight 77 ended up inside the Pentagon, not outside it.

TravellingTilbury · 28/01/2021 00:17

@Mumisnotmyonlyname

There are so many liars amongst those pushing conspiracy theories. Someone sent me a link about masks, the article author claiming to have backing from the Lancet. Quotes and all. It looked very convincing. So I looked up the research in the Lancet snd the crafty so and so's had only quoted a portion of the paragraph, in order to reverse the meaning.
Statistically, there are probably more liars who don't push conspiracy theories ...
thenightsky · 28/01/2021 00:19

@KarmaNoMore

I do think that Dominic Cummings has just gone underground but still advising Boris from the comfort of his own home.
Yes, I'm pretty sure that one is true.
gwenneh · 28/01/2021 00:19

@MissConductUS

But the footage, wreckage, hole and remains don't tally. The hole is too small and the remains are too few. There are plenty of scientists who have questioned the validity of the 'footage' (ie a few clips) v aftermath. It's v odd. Oh and then they happened to find the passport (in perfect condition) soon after ... not fishy at all ...

I guess you couldn't be arsed to look at the link I posted up thread that answered both of these objections, so here are the facts again, from another source. And please provide a link to the "scientists" who are questioning the footage.

The biggest 9/11 conspiracy theories debunked

The Pentagon attack
How can a 125ft plane cause just a 16ft wide hole?

A Boeing 757 commercial airliner is 125ft wide and 155ft long. However, the plane that smashed into the Pentagon left an entry hole just 16ft across and an exit hole of just 12ft wide. How is this possible, ask sceptics? As far as many people are concerned, it is more likely that the Pentagon was hit by a satellite-guided missile controlled by the US military

The official ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report estimates that the hole punched into the outer E-Ring of the Pentagon’s reinforced concrete walls was actually about 75ft across, not 16ft, as has been widely misreported. That Flight 77 didn’t leave a 125ft, plane-shaped hole in the building is accounted for by the fact that one of the plane’s wings disintegrated when it hit the ground before impact and the other wing sheared off on impact, being of too lightweight a construction to penetrate reinforced concrete. The C-ring impact exit hole was, in fact, 12ft wide, not 16ft, and was most likely caused by the aircraft’s much sturdier landing gear punching its way through the building.

Where’s the debris?

Many point to the lack of debris in official photos taken after the plane hit the side of the Pentagon. When planes crash, they usually leave behind huge quantities of debris. How come a large commercial airliner hit a building yet left hardly any wreckage behind?

Most of Flight 77 ended up inside the Pentagon, not outside it.

This claim is directly disputed by eyewitnesses who were first to respond. This includes Allyn E. Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC in Washington. Kilsheimer was the man who found Flight 77’s black box recorder, as well as holding sections of the plane’s tail in his hands and observing a wing impact mark on the side of the building before a large section of the Pentagon’s outer wall collapsed. He also saw bits of body parts scattered around the crash site, as well as crew uniforms and passenger clothing. Also, most of Flight 77 ended up inside the Pentagon, not outside it.

The FBI declassified photos in 2017. The damage is immense. The debris is everywhere. It takes about 1 minute to find, too, even if you hadn’t kindly provided a source.
Ltdannygreen · 28/01/2021 00:20

I think for some conspiracy theorists it’s about thinking outside the box, that there could be another explanation. Not following the first thing we get told. It’s not far fetched when you think about it. They chase them knowing they will probably never know the outcome, like an addiction. People don’t like to believe outside the realm of thier reality. But what if....

TravellingTilbury · 28/01/2021 00:29

@MissConductUS if someone believes that the CIA/Mafia arranged the murder of JFK, then they are not going to accept the narrative for the pentagon, are they?

Another conspiracy: most debunking sites are not 100% truthful!

chill out, night night

HollyGoLoudly1 · 28/01/2021 00:32

Don't think it's been said yet but I watched a programme years ago about the sinking of the Titanic being a botched insurance job. Everyone was meant to be rescued but the rescue ship (The Carpathia?) wasn't where the White Star Line expected it to be and it arrived too late.

HollyGoLoudly1 · 28/01/2021 00:37

Ah I've just seen that someone has already said Titanic. Apologies!

Lalliella · 28/01/2021 00:38

What is Pizzagate?