To ask what conspiracy theories you actually believe are true?

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Following on from the thread where OP was looking for conspiracy theories for her kids to look at, I was wondering whether anyone actually believes any of the outlandish conspiracies.

We’ve all read about how people believe that Elvis didn’t die/Paul McCartney did die/the royals are all lizards/the earth is flat. But I’ve never encountered anyone who actually believes any of them, only people who talk about people who (apparently) believe in them.

So, what conspiracies do you actually believe and why?

Can you explain? I've tried to look it up but I don't know what this refers to?

There was a link with Australia.

At the time Diana died she was not hugely popular with the press or general public. Look up the headlines before her death. The tabloid press was having a field day criticising her gallivanting round the med with friends and her boyfriend, sponging off her rich pals in a manner not befitting an ex princess and a mother. She was said to be embarrassing herself and her children.

Her death deified her and saved her reputation.

Pizzagate.

@Janonomouse - blimey, had no idea! Think I’ll always equate pizza with my version (and hadn’t heard of the football one either).

A new conspiracy theory - pizza obviously has a lot to answer for 🍕🍕🍕

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

Can you explain? I've tried to look it up but I don't know what this refers to?

There was a link with Australia.

Ah of course, thanks. Yes definitely remember thinking it was a strange one at the time and so sad.

@Lalliella

What is Pizzagate?

Pizzagate is the rubicon that media won't cross (because it relates to satanic ritual/child abuse). Therefore basic google (prefer duck duck go or other search engines) and wiki etc will just show the official cover story of 'conspiracy'. Imo to deny widespread satanic abuse (and the use of adrenochrome) is to do a huge misjustice to children who have (and are) suffering.

Please do your own research, but treat carefully, the stories are horrifying.

Samantha Baldwin's account of her children is a 'good' start. (search on UK Column news) and she has written her account as a book. It's one account of many. It's horrific. I didn't research 'pizza gate' for ages because a) I wasn't bothered b) thought it sounded crazy c) believed it was nutcases. That is the conspiracy. Do research if you are interested, but be careful.

It also relates to Jeffrey Epstein/the islands and also Prince Andrew (who was a guest) - the flight logs are available.

People can believe what they want, but I do wonder why some people are so keen to shut down some areas more than others.

Epstein's death wasn't a suicide, and Diana's was an assassination

So do you mean Epstein was assassinated too? By someone who was scared to be outed by him?

A certain royal saying he was at a certain restaurant whilst certain activities were taking place.

I'm in no position whatsoever to state or prove whether or not the said royal was guilty here. All I will say is that, to disprove it, you would need to be in a fortunate position where a close family member knew of/trusted you in your innocence and had a great deal of money, resources, power and influence to enable them to stop at nothing to have you publicly proved innocent beyond any shadow of a doubt.

Alternatively, said family member could instead decide to relieve you of official public duties, greatly downplay your role and cancel public celebrations of your position and milestone birthday - even though they could otherwise vouch for and prove your innocence far and wide.

None of them, because conspiracies.are impossible to cover up for an extended period of time, the sheer number of people whose silence you'd have to ensure is ridiculous. Take the moon landing for example, it would have taken 1000s of 1000s of people to remain silent to stage a fake moon landing and in 50 years not one of those people blurted out the truthvor sold their story to the press for the scoop of the century? Plus the moon landing happened in the full glare of the world, with the Soviet space programme looking on. Do you not think if there was anything awry or that looked faked the Soviets who had an incentive to cry 'foul' would have not done so?

Again, Diana's death a car crash is an incredibly uncertain way of ensuring she died. If she'd chosen to wear a seatbelt, it was entirely likely she'd have lived. Given the sheer incompetence we've seen from the British state in the past 12 months, the likely of the security services successfully executing an incredibly risky fake accident (presumably with the co-operation of French security services) seems about as likely as Boris Johnson taking a vow of celibacy.

So do you mean Epstein was assassinated too? By someone who was scared to be outed by him?

Once the balance of power has been shifted and the mutual understanding and 'honour' among thieves/criminals already 'betrayed', the betrayed one no longer has anything further to lose by squealing from the rooftops.

Savile was a pathetic washed-up old has-been for many years before his death (well, was really for his entire professional life), but still nobody dared to speak out against him until the point when he was no longer able to answer back and maybe implicate others.

For those who want to joke about pizzagate, fine; for those who are curious try wiki leaks, the FBI docs for Hillary Clinton's emails and this sort of article (to give you an idea, it was just on the first page of duck duck go): dcpizzagate.wordpress.com

Too many to count. The main ones are that we have never landed on the moon, 911, and the most recent is that Covid is being used to create a new way of living, with an emphasis on living green while moving away from capitalism, increased control/decreased freedom ( well, that’s not a conspiracy as all those plans are evidently laid out on the WE forum website, right down to rethinking capitalism)
I’m not so sure about Diana though.

Oh and there Really is a case to be made for pizza gate, but my mind can’t accept that such evil exists.

'Do research if you are interested, but be careful.'

Ah. 'Research' which to most people means considering and weighing up peer-reviewed studies in trustworthy journals from writers with demonstrable qualifications and expertise.

In the conspiracy theorist's world it means disappearing into an internet wormhole of unreferenced unsourced ponderings produced by fellow conspiracy-theory touting loons.

During the troubles in Ireland in the 1990’s, it was claimed that certain soldiers who were killed were just involved in RTAs but I know this is absolute horseshit. It was printed in the papers that these deaths were not military/IRA related but they bloody were. Car crash my ass.

Diana's death a car crash is an incredibly uncertain way of ensuring she died. If she'd chosen to wear a seatbelt, it was entirely likely she'd have lived.

The reported circumstances of her death were a car crash, but had there been a conspiracy and a plan for her to be killed in that scenario, what would have stopped anybody before, during or after the crash from killing her in another fail-safe way and then blaming it on the car crash? I can't remember much detail, but wasn't there a suggestion that her body was taken away and/or dealt with in an unusual and very quick manner?

Incidentally, I'm not accusing anybody of anything untoward here, but it's fascinating how pure co-incidence works. People have mentioned perceived inconsistencies between events surrounding two people - Jill Dando and the Duchess of Cambridge - and it just so happens that there is one person linking those two people. It's a small world.

Evidence here that many MNetters are barking. Aint that the truth!

'Research' which to most people means considering and weighing up peer-reviewed studies in trustworthy journals from writers with demonstrable qualifications and expertise.

In the conspiracy theorist's world it means disappearing into an internet wormhole of unreferenced unsourced ponderings produced by fellow conspiracy-theory touting loons.

Well said.

WeBuiltThisBuffet yes I can see that, but nont sure whether you agree or not with the theory of Epstein being assassinated?

Diana's death is interesting because in North America on the Sat eve (30th Aug 1997) the news on the TV was reporting that Diana had been injured but that Dodi had been killed (see CNN clips from that date reporting the incident) but in the UK we woke up on Sun 31st Aug to radios/TVs all reporting that she'd died in the car crash. So I don't know if the initial reports in North America were wrong or the latter UK reports. I guess we'll never know. But Diana didn't necessarily die in the actual crash.

I guess we'll never know.

Yes we do know. It happened in the full glare of the world's press.

But Diana didn't necessarily die in the actual crash.

Yes she did. See above.

And then you get to the question, why and on whose orders?

Ah. 'Research' which to most people means considering and weighing up peer-reviewed studies in trustworthy journals from writers with demonstrable qualifications and expertise.

In the conspiracy theorist's world it means disappearing into an internet wormhole of unreferenced unsourced ponderings produced by fellow conspiracy-theory touting loons.

Sometimes, it's exactly that. Other times, there can be highly intelligent and expert people who speak out having looked into the actual facts in great detail and found things to be very fishy whilst a whole load of other people automatically believe everything the government tells them and sneer at those who question it.

Is somebody a loon for questioning the official findings around David Kelly's death? How about somebody who insists that Earth is flat and made of camembert? It's not either/or - there is a vast, vast spectrum of belief and perception and no one person can be relied on to be 100% accurate and 100% truthful 100% of the time.

FML, I was really hoping the people posting 'Pizzagate' were joking but apparently not.

WeBuiltThisBuffet yes I can see that, but nont sure whether you agree or not with the theory of Epstein being assassinated?

Sorry to beat around the bush! In answer to your question, I find it highly, highly suspicious how very convenient the fact and timing of his death could have been to those who may have had a lot to fear from the squealing of a man who had apparently decided to kill himself anyway and thus had nothing left to lose. In short, I can see a great deal of circumstantial evidence that could have convincingly explained his being murdered/assassinated and then explaining it away as suicide. Even shorter answer: Yes!

Incidentally, what are the personal qualifications to be assassinated rather than just murdered? I've never quite found a definitive answer to that one!

@TravellingTilbury

Diana's death is interesting because in North America on the Sat eve (30th Aug 1997) the news on the TV was reporting that Diana had been injured but that Dodi had been killed (see CNN clips from that date reporting the incident) but in the UK we woke up on Sun 31st Aug to radios/TVs all reporting that she'd died in the car crash. So I don't know if the initial reports in North America were wrong or the latter UK reports. I guess we'll never know. But Diana didn't necessarily die in the actual crash.

Well... at the time of reporting in the US that might have been correct according to available information. She died in hospital some hours after the crash, as I recall, which was in the early hours of the morning. Evening in the US. Breaking news is often sketchy, even now.

Other times, there can be highly intelligent and expert people who speak out having looked into the actual facts in great detail and found things to be very fishy

Is it? I'd be interested in finding examples of this. Because mostly, if not exclusively, it is someone with a wordpress account and a screw loose.