Moving on.... it's Biden/Harris Administration time (#124)

[Roussette]

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Complicated. Fauci had similar problems, and he's talked about it. Including a conversation with his wife about resigning or not resigning.

Were they right to stay and not challenge the President so openly? What if they had resigned? Who'd have got in?

Fauci says he answered truthfully when he was asked by the journalists. Did they ask Birx? I don't remember her supporting the President's words directly.

I was concerned when people in key posititions kept resigning. Some were kicked out.
Was it better to go with the flow to some extent and do some good rather than allow the President's people in?

Thank you gwenneh, yes I am making it too simple a matter.

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This is shocking...
How Trump will get out of his financial burden hole.

He owes £400 million. No one will lend him any more.

'What some on Wall Street think Trump will do is further tap into a subset of his army of 74.2 million voters and ask its members to give him, say, $100 a year to continue to get his pithy utterances, now that he has been removed from most of the major social media platforms. Think of it as a Trumpian version of Substack. Follow the logic for a moment. Say a third of his base—about 25 million people—agrees to sign up for some sort of weekly Donald Trump newsletter, the actual work for which he would (of course) delegate. The content could be his banal musings, or updates on his legal battles, or his plans for mounting a 2024 presidential candidacy.

It probably doesn’t matter what the newsletter contains. If more than 200,000 people on Substack pay Willy Woo $600 a year to get his musings about bitcoin, it’s not crazy to think that Donald Trump can get $100 a year from a ton of his flock. “Don’t forget he’s like a god to them,” the Wall Street banker tells me. “Trumpism is their religion.”

If 25 million people agreed to pay Trump $100 a year, that’s $2.5 billion free and clear, far more money than he would need to pay off his creditors. Oh, that’s insane, you say. No way that many people would ever pay for the incoherent thoughts of a deranged would-be demagogue. Arguendo, then, let’s solve for what he would need next year to pay his creditors and his legal bills. Say he needs $200 million to pay off the debt on Trump Tower in 2022 and for his perks and incidentals, then he would need 2 million people to pay him $100 each to get his newsletter. That’s less than 3% of the people who voted for him in November—after watching his four-year reign of terror. My bet is that he can easily do that. “We’re going to be stunned by how much money he makes and how he uses it,” the Wall Street banker says.'

Once a con man, always a con man....

@Lweji

Complicated. Fauci had similar problems, and he's talked about it. Including a conversation with his wife about resigning or not resigning.

Were they right to stay and not challenge the President so openly? What if they had resigned? Who'd have got in?

Fauci says he answered truthfully when he was asked by the journalists. Did they ask Birx? I don't remember her supporting the President's words directly.

I was concerned when people in key posititions kept resigning. Some were kicked out.
Was it better to go with the flow to some extent and do some good rather than allow the President's people in?

She did support the president in some of his more asinine policies -- trying to find ways around CDC guidance, pushing to open the schools unilaterally, changing where hospitals sent their case data (direct to HHS instead of the CDC, so the WH was in direct control - you can see why that might have been problematic.)

She is complicit in the high death rate, by both her actions and her "tell the people what they want to hear" approach.

Not sure Trump is getting the welcome he wanted at MarALago... 😂

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@Roussette

I think you have to look at the bigger picture. Trump is talking about our movement - always a bad sign, as with Corbyn.
If his millions of voters vote for Trump-endorsed candidates, they will replace incumbent Rep senators and congressmen/women, possibly pick up some Dem seats, giving him control of the legislature. He doesn't even have to hold office. He will be pulling the strings as Dear Leader and can change the law, as Putin and dictators before him did. He doesn't have to be President. He can be Chairman Trump.

Remember. This is the guy who's just tried to stage a coup. He dreams BIGLY.

Or am I the one who's being thick?

No, I think you're the sensible one. You have to bear in mind that during lockdown my brain has shrunk to the size of a small baked bean

Another straw in the wind: Bannon back in the WH in the last week. Gets a pardon. Another one who thinks big.

Senators and congress men & women who are due up for re-election in 2022 might be particularly vulnerable/fearful of being "primaried" by Trump and his band of loony right wing followers.

How can a 74 year old man have such sway over millions of potentially younger candidates ?

How many generations must America have lost to end up with him ?

I fear the times they have a-changed.

Johnson is a pygmy by comparison, but think back to the attempt to pro-rogue Parliament, Rees-Mogg lying to the Queen. Thank God for Lady Hale, girlie-swat supreme.

@Roussette Not sure about my brain, but if I don't get back on to GMT, I will lose the use of my legs. Erin Burnett is like family to me. I see more of her than my dd. I worry about her. Looking a bit peaky the other day, I thought.. And I've developed a v inappropriate crush on David Axelrod.

Lweji
Domestic terrorist finds himself in no-fly list. Cries. "They" want to ruin his life.

The not being allowed to fly wasn't because of a no-fly order from the FBI at that point, straight after the rioting, it was because he was refusing to comply with the airline's terms of contract -- which he had signed, so him not having bothered to read them is his own fault. They chucked him off for refusing to wear a mask, he tried to book a different plane and was told he was now on the airline's no-fly list, kicked up a fuss and was thrown out of the airport.

This is just the same as the couple who wanted to fly to see a Christmas tree and were thrown off the plane because their child was refusing to wear a mask. Not the FBI, just airlines with rules about what you have to do to fly in their planes. I don't even know whether he was a rioter or not, but it doesn't matter anyway.

I don't think Trump has the patience or the organisation to be the power behind the throne. He craves the limelight.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

Thanks for the clarification. It did seem odd.

@DGRossetti

How can a 74 year old man have such sway over millions of potentially younger candidates ?

How many generations must America have lost to end up with him ?

Ageing population? Sorry, that is really all I can come up with. After JFK, Obama was the youngest President to be elected, wasn't he? And he was unappreciated, to say the least. Much as I admire Biden, Pelosi, and Sanders, I am saddened that there seem to be no forward-looking vaguely left-wingers on the up and up in the US. Oh, sorry, there is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, of course. But there is so much hatred aimed at her, I don't see her advancing, unfortunately. I hope I'm wrong.

Thank you for your explanations on the two doctors - I knew I was being too simplistic.

And further to I am saddened that there seem to be no forward-looking vaguely left-wingers on the up and up in the US - I thought this tweet sums it up

@SanFranBear - I am so sorry, I left out the crucial word "young" before "left-wingers"! That was what I was getting at! Also, the lovely Bernie is not really that left-wing, let's face it!
Photo from my village.

You don't have to be an elected official to be Dear Leader. The Movement is more like a cult than a conventional political party. Trump would be on the throne, doing what he does best. Rallies, parades - with soldiers and heavy armaments, fly-pasts of fighter jets, just like he wanted for a Fourth of July event. And lots of fund-raisers. Populist policies to get the votes, with a strategic framework to keep him in power and reward the money-men in the shadows.

This used to be tin-foil hat territory, but after July 6th it's not so fantastical. What if he'd won the election? It was a pretty close-run thing. Another 4 years? We can already see the inroads made into the State Dept, the Supreme Court, the DoJ. The Pentagon? Fake News. Alternative Facts.

Sorry. I'm late to the party and you've probably covered this in previous threads. I think we in the UK tend to underestimate the power of religion and guns in the USA because its alien to. our experience. We've never had the folk memory of the frontier spirit, a nation of immigrants fleeing state persecution, Live Free Or Die. We sorted out our religious differences, our church v State wars centuries ago. (Just the remnants in Northern Ireland and the Troubles as a salutary reminder, lest we forget.) The USA is only a teenage nation by comparison.

It's a gargantuan task to keep the States United. I'm concerned about the backsliding from Republicans in Congress. At least McConnell stood relatively firm, but not willing to stick his neck out so he's looking weak.

Haha... yes, young should definitely be a qualifier. I also agree that AOC would possibly be a good bet but given how angry people are with Biden/Harris for 'throwing women under the bus', they really wouldnt want her in high office!

So...today's Kellyanne and Claudia Conway story is quite something...

Surely Kellyanne has to be charged?

You don't have to be an elected official to be Dear Leader.

Ask Nigel Farage.

Yes exactly, Thymeout. The Cheeto Caligula would be the figurehead on the throne, clowning about and telling his adoring fans he loves them and that there are boogiemen out there but he will save them from the monsters.

The folks behind the scenes with the actual plans for where they want to take the country, will be doing the work.

So, identical to 2016 and every moment since.

Jaichange that pic is marvellous. Took me ages to even notice him, he fits so well.

Mitch "The Obstruction" McConnell vs. Bernie "Mittens" Sanders

@Janonomouse - that is so weird, isn't it? To be honest, I've just hidden it from view, as a mother of someone who was a teen a decade ago, I can't imagine.. I wonder what Claudia's twin is thinking/doing now?

@SanFranBear

Haha... yes, young should definitely be a qualifier. I also agree that AOC would possibly be a good bet but given how angry people are with Biden/Harris for 'throwing women under the bus', they really wouldnt want her in high office!

I'm sorry, @SanFranBear, I'm not keeping up at the back, again. Who wouldn't want AOC in high office? The Dems or the Trumptards? To be honest, I really feel that we all, except the ghastly alt-righters, have been thrown under a bus in both the US and the UK, in the last 4 years. How do we get out from under it?