Moving on.... it's Biden/Harris Administration time (#124)

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I really can't imagine what the Republicans can say to deny any of this. It will just be "wah wah wah, not fair, not president, be nice"

In this trial, the Democrats have (a) the receipts, (b) the law/precedent, AND (c) the emotion on their side. What does it say about Republicans that it still won’t be enough?
twitter.com/mattklewis/status/1359213624254988290?s=21

What does it say about Republicans that it still won’t be enough

That the Constitution is borked.

Another link to the video

twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1359210043170824195?s=21

Sarah Palin was wheeled out on ITV's This Morning defending Trump and blaming it all on the rioters.

Jaichangecentfoisdenom, thanks, I'm watching that link right now but have had to take a break. It's just so horrifying.

I'm astounded that so few people were killed. The courage of those police officers...

PAULUS V
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BREAKING: President Trump requests use of Airforce One if forced to appear in Congress. "If they want to impeach me as President they'll have to let me travel as President."

Take him up on it! Call his bluff! He still won't dare show up, because he is frit: he knows what he did.

From BBC live

Just a few minutes into Donald Trump’s Senate impeachment trial, and it’s already clear that the former president’s most loyal defenders are digging in.

During consideration of the bipartisan resolution setting out the ground rules for the trial, 11 Republicans voted no.

They included Josh Hawley of Missouri and Ted Cruz of Texas, two of the most outspoken supporters of Trump’s efforts to challenge his general election loss.

Also opposed were Rand Paul of Kentucky, who introduced a resolution last week to dismiss the case against Trump, and Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, another of the president’s ardent defenders.

These 11 senators are also regular “no” votes on Joe Biden’s picks to fill cabinet posts. Hawley has voted against all seven nominees considered by the Senate so far. Cruz has rejected five.

Some of the senators, like Cruz and Hawley, have 2024 presidential ambitions. Others, like Bill Hagerty of Tennessee and Tommy Tuberville of Alabama, come from very conservative states that overwhelmingly support Trump. Call them the scorched-earth caucus.

With at least 11 Republicans in favour of shutting the trial down before it even starts, it means 17 of the 39 remaining of them would have to side with all 50 Democrats to convict.

More BBC live

Impeachment manager Joe Neguse wraps up his time with an impassioned reminder for his colleagues to remember what happened on 6 January.

"What you experienced that day, what we experienced that day, what our country experienced that day, is the framers' [of the Constution] worst nightmare come to life," Neguse - a rising Democratic star from Colorado - says.

"Presidents can't inflame insurrection in their final weeks and then walk away like nothing happened. And yet that is the rule that President Trump asks you to adopt.

"I urge you - we urge you - to decline his request. To vindicate the Constitution. To let us try this case."

I just watched the impeachment video

I feel ill

The video is shocking, absolutely shocking. We've seen it all I know, but everyone needs reminding.

To let us try this case

I know I'm not understanding it properly, but I thought what is happening today is trying the case? Or does it mean there's a chance it won't go to the Senate?

Rankins speech was very powerful.

Trump lawyers are up next. It'll be interesting because the House Managers used a lot of emotion, how can Trumps lawyers compete with that?

Yes - seeing that visceral footage all stitched together - distressing in the extreme. Those 11 GOP Senators are beyond contempt.

As Heather Cox Richardson said last night

if the GOP vote to defend January 6th
the mid term Dem ads are ready written

Jamie Raskin's speech is/was (am behind I think) so powerful. Am in tears.

Roussette

Today is the Debate on Senate’s jurisdiction over Trump

The House prosecutors and Mr. Trump's defense team will have up to four hours to debate the constitutionality of whether a former president can be tried by the Senate. Senators will then hold a vote on whether to proceed with the trial. If the majority vote is yes, it will continue to the next phase, Oral Arguments. If the majority vote is no, the process ends.

By contrast, Trumps lawyer, Bruce Castor is all over the place. Waffle.Waffle

Thank you Duncin that explains it perfectly. I'm a bit slow today!

What absolute tosh this guy is talking. 'When things happen, it is human nature to want to blame someone'

Is that the best he can do?

He's talking like this is all a big joke... quips, laughing, jokes

"The Constitution is a good thing" says Castor
More Waffle Waffle

What on earth is he saying?

I suppose you get what you pay for when it comes to lawyers. Trump had trouble getting one....

Thing is, it doesn't matter what he says. He's not there to convince anyone. Most if not all of those voting have made their minds up already, and the rest won't decide on the basis of brilliant arguments - it'll be about politics as usual. So yon lawyer fellow can read the telephone directory for all the difference it will make.

Castor: I was going to say "Release the whirlwind" ...but that phrase has been taken, so I'll say "Open the floodgates"

Okaaaay.

I doubt Trump will pay Castor. Castor's doing it for the glory.

Since apparently the terrible Republicans will let him get away with it in the House, is there no civil court where Trump can be tried for treason and insurrection against the country? (I'm sure this must have been asked and answered before, but I mean, if he'd been the leader of an Islamist cell inciting insurrection at the Capitol, he'd surely have been in prison by now, awaiting trial?)

You are right Anniegetyourgun.
He comes across as a right plonker though. Doubt he'll get many new paid gigs off this performance.

Aaron Rupar @atrupar

Bruce Castor is making Rudy Giuliani look like Cicero

His twitter thread is a good one to follow
twitter.com/atrupar/status/1359236217318092805?s=21