US erasing Women - Janice Turner

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It was totally shocking to me this week as a supporter of the Democrats to see Biden choosing his moment carefully on day one to wipe out women's and girl's rights in the states in one fail swoop. There was no discussion, no consultation. No warning. Just like that he removed centuries of our rights as women.

He will now go down in history as the first President that abolished womenhood and Motherhood and women's rights. I am astonished and horrified and reeling actually, even this morning. I have had a few days to process the shock, but no, I am still reeling.

It is now punishable to describe a woman as a mother for instance, or to stop a man/boy with a penis showering with your pre teen daughter at school.
Prisons can no longer keep women safe, they will now lock up male rapists (Identifying as women, which anyone can now do no questions asked) with trapped female prisoners in cells. Can you imagine being in that position? The horror of being trapped in that situation, as survivor this actually keeps me awake at night.

Men can use lavatories, locker rooms and showers with young girls. It is ILLEGAL to now stop them. It is also illegal to stop a man competing in women's sports, making women's and girls sports now obsolete. What girl is going to outrun a biological male?

We have literally, as a sex been erased completely from the legal framework and with it all of our protections thanks to Biden. Men can still be men, because that doesn't offend anyone apparently - they will not be called 'testicle havers' or 'ejaculators' it will only be women subjected to this. So that says a lot of modern equality and where we are with it today in the US.

Women have been reduced to 'Menstruators' and the highly offensive 'black birthing bodies' if you are describing a mother from the BAME community. That is what we must all be called now.

That is the new healing landscape Biden describes as he cuts out the rights of half the nation.

Janice Turner as always is an absolute legend, and her excellent article 'War of words risks wiping women from our Language' in the Times this morning is outstanding, and covers the grave situation we ALL now face. For anyone thinking it could never happen here, think again.

Read it for yourself:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/war-of-words-risks-wiping-women-from-our-language-djhp2mwjg

This is not about Trump being our saviour or Biden now clearly. BOTH are terrible for women and girls. Neither care about the interests of 51% of the nation!

What an incredibly hideous choice to have to make as an American woman in 2021. We have learn from this, it can not be allowed to happen here.

I have contacted my MP this morning, I would like this issue raised as a matter of urgency.

@JustAnotherPoster00

Our safety and wellbeing are now compromised in a way that has never happened before.

Said by white americans before POC joined their schools

Said by straight white people about gay people being equal

So you don't think it's an issue that any male can access women's sports, prisons, refuges, changing rooms, toilets, simply by declaring that he identifies as a woman?

You can't see any issues with that principle at all?

Andrew Sullivan's latest post was good on this. Most of the time, you can ignore this insanity and celebrate greater visibility and protection for trans people. But in a few areas, biology matters. Some traumatized women who have been abused by men do not want to be around biological males in prison or shelters, even if they identify as women. I think these women should be accommodated. There are also places where we segregate by sex — like showers, locker rooms — for reasons of privacy. I think that allowing naked biological men and boys to be in the same showers as naked biological women and girls is asking for trouble — especially among teens. But for Biden, this is non-negotiable, and all objections are a function of bigotry.

And in sports, the difference between the physiology of men and women makes a big difference. That’s the entire point of having separate male and female sports, in the first place. Sure, you can suppress or enhance hormones. But you will never overcome the inherited, permanent effects of estrogen and testosterone in childhood and adolescence. Male and female bodies are radically different, because without that difference, our entire species would not exist. Replacing sex with gender threatens women’s sports for that simple reason."

I dont disagree that there is a level of danger there and it does need to be handled carefully and Id hate for an over correction to lead to something unthinkable happening which in turn leading to a scaling back of trans rights, so I'm honestly not trying to be polarising or take a polar view point because that helps no one, but and its a big but some of the policies that directly affect women, POC, disabled people that are willingly ignored for the sake of going against one part of the 'woke' agenda worrying

Yes do please tell us Just what human rights trans people don’t have in the UK?

LGB people wanted rightly to be treated equally to straight people. This is nothing like that at all!

TW want the right to be treated as women in ALL circumstances - to play sport against women, to act as rape counsellors for women, to conduct internal exams for women, to be able to compete for prizes and Programmes designed to correct the under representation of women disadvantaged by sexism, to have the word woman erased from campaigns about illnesses that only affect female biology. Do tell me how that is fair & equitable

I'm voting tory 🤮 Like I said, it's a vote against Labour

as I said I generally dont disagree but dont want to end up in the position where there is no social security safety net, no NHS, no workers rights that have been hard fought for by women in the workplace, un recoverable inequality and environment damage just for the sake of one policy

I'm going to (reluctantly) re-join the Labour party as they may be in power in 4 years and by then they need to know what a woman is.

Sorry. The Labour Party are the worst offenders when it comes to gender issues. No feminist should be voting Labour. No woman should be voting Labour! My husband cancelled his Labour Party membership last year after a lot of heated discussions with me over this issue. Labour is against women. Women’s rights are not a thing anymore.

@JustAnotherPoster00

I dont disagree that there is a level of danger there and it does need to be handled carefully and Id hate for an over correction to lead to something unthinkable happening which in turn leading to a scaling back of trans rights, so I'm honestly not trying to be polarising or take a polar view point because that helps no one, but and its a big but some of the policies that directly affect women, POC, disabled people that are willingly ignored for the sake of going against one part of the 'woke' agenda worrying

So why did you just trot out the old 'this is just like when black kids weren't allowed to go to school with white kids' line then?

I didnt, I said the arguments Ive seen used a lot were used at the time

I didnt, I said the arguments Ive seen used a lot were used at the time

Which arguments?

How many womens rights are people happy to roll back on to stop the TWIW agenda?

Happy to roll back abortion rights? Thats what a lot of the right wing anti woke believe in

Happy to roll back the support of disabled women and children? Again thats something a lot of the right wing want

Just The real issue now will be the hemorrhaging of support for the trans movement, which is completely counter productive.
It will be enormous now the backlash, where as before you could probably counted on most of the country really supporting and wanting equality for transgender people, now it has gone just too far - the support will be lost forever It will be seen as a hate campaign - which it is, against women and girls. Which is a shame because a good many decent people will lose out. If you care about at all for your own future, if nothing else you should really speak up against this.

Do you really think it is okay for rape victims to be subjected to an internal exam by a man? This will now be law, we can not stop it from happening and if we do it is now punishable in the states.

Do we really want convicted rapists dressed up as women with FULL access to women in locked prison cells? That too now is law in the US. They can rape to their heats content and it will be ILLEGAL to stop them.

The whole thing is being abused, can you not see that just?

This is no longer about equal rights or being recognised and valued whatever you might ID as, and I think we were really getting there. This is about serious and permanent risk to our children, to our girls and to all women.

I said theargumentsIve seen used a lot were used at the time

@JustAnotherPoster00

You implied there was the same weight to the argument about womens rights vs gender recognition as there was to the straight vs LGB or white vs every other ethnic background argument, which is none. You implied that women are either being hysterical about the matter and ultimately no one will lose out, or that that women are using their 'position of privilege' to deny others, like the other examples you gave did. Would you like to clarify?

You seem like someone who knows the arguments against the woke agenda Jet so have a think if any apply, if they dont I stand corrected but ones that I see pop up here and other places do ring that uh oh bell for me

‘all the arguments [have been used] at times in history when someone wants to deny equal rights to another part of society’. No, the arguments here have not.

What ‘equal’ rights are people objecting to these changes seeking to deny others?

Transwomen wanting to compete in previously single sex sports - and associated financial competitions, eg for scholarships - isn’t ‘equal’, due to their biological advantages. It is in conflict with fair competition and opportunities for girls and women.

The wants of a small number of people who want to stop using biological terms are not de facto more valid or important than those of those who don’t.

A transwoman’s want to be employed in a previously single sex service or facility, eg rape centre, healthcare, conflicts with the wants of girls and women who use or may use the service. Many of us consider the latter more important.

A transwoman prisoner’s want to be in a previously single sex prison is in conflict with other considerations safety.

The implocation wasnt there was any hysteria involved at all, but my fault, forgot no constructive conversation around this issue allowed, gotchya, my mistake

@JustAnotherPoster00

The implocation wasnt there was any hysteria involved at all, but my fault, forgot no constructive conversation around this issue allowed, gotchya, my mistake

Whats constructive about suggesting that women are using 'the same arguments' that racists and homophobes did 'back in the day'?

ElizaLaLa

Well said.

I'm shocked that the OP is shocked. I thought Creepy Old Uncle Joe was quite clear about what he was going to do. He has zero respect for women several of whom have alleged that he either touched them inappropriately or violated their personal space in ways that made them uncomfortable. He has even less respect for little girls: www.facebook.com/1190697017/videos/10222373457303865/

I know most on here are Labour voters but you may be interested to know about Conservatives for Women who are raising awareness of issues which threaten the safety and dignity of women. conservativesforwomen.org/join-us

@BrumBoo

Heisbetter than the other guy.

In what way?

Have you been on Mars for the last four years?🤔

Our safety and wellbeing are now compromised in a way that has never happened before.

Said by white americans before POC joined their schools

Said by straight white people about gay people being equal

Women aren’t complaining about sharing rooms in a refuge with women of a different sexuality or skin colour. They’re complaining about sharing rooms with people like Tyler Porter.

Women aren’t complaining about sharing prison cells with women of a different sexuality or skin colour. They’re complaining about sharing them with people like Karen White and another six people who sexually assaulted female prisoners. They’re complaining about former Prisons Minister Rory Stewart acknowledging in an interview there had been 'situations of male prisoners self-identifying as females then raping staff in prison' and the situation STILL being allowed to continue.

Women aren’t complaining about competing against women of a different sexuality or skin colour. They’re complaining about competing with people like Fallon Fox or Laurel Hubbard or Hannah Mouncey.

This isn’t bigotry, as was the case with denying rights to people of colour or the LGBT community. Nobody is denying rights to anyone. What is happening here is that women of all skin colours and all sexualities are fighting to stop their rights being removed and their boundaries being trampled on (Google Riley J Dennis and their thoughts on the ‘cotton ceiling’, or Jessica Yaniv and their thoughts on...just about everything).

YABU for being a supporter of the lunatic democrats. Trump was appalling on Twitter but his policies work. Biden seems more reasonable but his policies are appalling, very worried for the future and all the wars he drag the US into after 4 years of nothing.

So-called feminists now using 'woke' as an insult tells me everything I need to know.

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"we need to stay angry, and stay woke"

The lunatics are alive and well on MN.
Supporting trans rights does not equal erasing women ffs.
Grow up, stop your shitty National Enquirer worthy headlines, and have some compassion.
Repeat after me- Supporting trans rights does not equal erasing women. Until you understand.