US erasing Women - Janice Turner

[feelingquitehopeful]

It was totally shocking to me this week as a supporter of the Democrats to see Biden choosing his moment carefully on day one to wipe out women's and girl's rights in the states in one fail swoop. There was no discussion, no consultation. No warning. Just like that he removed centuries of our rights as women.

He will now go down in history as the first President that abolished womenhood and Motherhood and women's rights. I am astonished and horrified and reeling actually, even this morning. I have had a few days to process the shock, but no, I am still reeling.

It is now punishable to describe a woman as a mother for instance, or to stop a man/boy with a penis showering with your pre teen daughter at school.
Prisons can no longer keep women safe, they will now lock up male rapists (Identifying as women, which anyone can now do no questions asked) with trapped female prisoners in cells. Can you imagine being in that position? The horror of being trapped in that situation, as survivor this actually keeps me awake at night.

Men can use lavatories, locker rooms and showers with young girls. It is ILLEGAL to now stop them. It is also illegal to stop a man competing in women's sports, making women's and girls sports now obsolete. What girl is going to outrun a biological male?

We have literally, as a sex been erased completely from the legal framework and with it all of our protections thanks to Biden. Men can still be men, because that doesn't offend anyone apparently - they will not be called 'testicle havers' or 'ejaculators' it will only be women subjected to this. So that says a lot of modern equality and where we are with it today in the US.

Women have been reduced to 'Menstruators' and the highly offensive 'black birthing bodies' if you are describing a mother from the BAME community. That is what we must all be called now.

That is the new healing landscape Biden describes as he cuts out the rights of half the nation.

Janice Turner as always is an absolute legend, and her excellent article 'War of words risks wiping women from our Language' in the Times this morning is outstanding, and covers the grave situation we ALL now face. For anyone thinking it could never happen here, think again.

Read it for yourself:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/war-of-words-risks-wiping-women-from-our-language-djhp2mwjg

Black birthing bodies

This is a good video about it. Also see her other one. Vulva people.

@AStudyinPink

And btw, as a lifelong Labour voter, I have to hold my hands up and congratulate the Johnson government for holding the line about what is true and what is invented, for protecting children from a dangerous ideology, and for refusing to bend to the cultural post-truth movement to reform laws that do not need to be reformed and would represent a danger to every adult female in this country, as well as to free speech. Respect to Liz Truss, in particular. It’s important work.

Do you also congratulate him for childrens food poverty, you know as a lifelong Labour voter?

Do you also congratulate him on the punitive benefits system that forces a lot of single mothers into unsuitable work, you know as a lifelong Labour voter?

Do you congratulate him on the hostile environment attitude for immigrants in this country, you know as a lifelong Labour voter?

Do you congratulate him on the erosion of food safety and workers rights coming, you know as a lifelong Labour voter?

Did you congratulate his party when they cut the funding to sure start centres, you know as a lifelong Labour voter?

Suzanne Moore in the Daily Telegraph also highlights this issue.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/23/does-joe-biden-really-understand-controversy-behind-executive/

Apologies for not having a share token as I'm reading the print version

JustAnotherPoster00

If I did, wouldn’t I say so? And why would I vote Labour to start with?

I wish, I really really wish that JK Rowling writes another book in the series and includes this.
On the back of the whole series, there is no way anyone will be able to stop her. Even if all publishers under the sun refuse to publish it (unlikely), she would break the internet with one swoop.
Please consider this Rowling!

And btw, as a lifelong Labour voter, I have to hold my hands up and congratulate the Johnson government for holding the line about what is true and what is invented, for protecting children from a dangerous ideology, and for refusing to bend to the cultural post-truth movement to reform laws that do not need to be reformed and would represent a danger to every adult female in this country, as well as to free speech. Respect to Liz Truss, in particular. It’s important work

^This.

We can not allow this to happen here. At all costs, whatever it takes, this is not a fight we can lose.
The US have a real battle on their hands now, both legally and ideologically - and we are with them all the way, but we have to stand absolutely resolute on this in the UK.

We could start be requesting the repeal of the GRA? By writing to our MPs for reassurance in the house?
By writing to the newspapers and asking them to highlight this grave and dangerous development?

We need to get our voices out there.

I do not think it is an exaggeration to say that if we fall as well, what hope will the rest of the world have?

He wasn’t non-committal. He supported reform of the GRA. He says TWAW. He has committed to positions of principle. If he changes his mind (which he can do) I will want to hear his arguments. I will want to ask him, “Sir Keir, when did you start thinking TWAW, why, and when did you change your mind?”

I would love to hear it!

I'm sorry people find this surprising. Him and his party are far more dangerous than Trump.

Folk fall for the airy fairy, peace, love, tolerance every time.
It's only tolerance if it's their P. O. V.

It was totally shocking to me this week as a supporter of the Democrats to see Biden choosing his moment carefully on day one to wipe out women's and girl's rights in the states in one fail swoop. There was no discussion, no consultation. No warning. Just like that he removed centuries of our rights as women. There was plenty of warning. There were months of him saying he intended to do just that. All that has happened here is that one rich old white man who doesn’t like women has been replaced by another rich old white man who doesn’t like women, on the basis that he’s less likely to start WW3. It happened in Canada, it is happening in America and it is well on its way to happening in the U.K.

And if you think Labour give a shit about women’s sex based rights, you could not be more wrong. They’ve already told any member (woman) of the party who doesn’t agree with their stance on the GRA to cancel their membership. The Lib Dem’s and the Green Party are worse, although slightly less frightening on the basis that they stand zero chance of winning an election.

I abstained from voting at the last election. Unless an alternative candidate stands in my area, I shall abstain from the next one. I cannot bring myself to vote Tory. On the other hand ‘No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party that ignores her sex’. The other parties are not only seeking to ignore it, but to abolish all the hard won rights that go with it. There were reasons that women fought for sex based rights. Those reasons still exist.

@feelingquitehopeful

Indeed, how did we get here FOJN

We got here by stealth, by blackmail (you get to choose between two old
misogynists that could not care less about women: and you call this 'progress'

We got here by being polite, caring for other's feelings, by wishing to be inclusive, understanding other's plights, we got here by being mothers, sisters and daughters supporting every person regardless of their ID, we got here by being honest, decent caring people. And where has it got us? A hateful campaign against us has been allowed to flourish, it has bankrolled/steam rolled its way into the heart of the White House and this is the result.

I don't regret my wholehearted support for transgender people to have equal rights, to be treated with respect and to feel included and valued in our society - but the cause has clearly been hijacked by those that intend to seriously, seriously harm us. They are certainly not content to live side by side respectfully, but to erase us completely.

We can not ignore it any longer.

Hear hear

Keir Starmer is doing his damnednest to not get involved in the issue. When he did his webchat on Mumsnet he chose my question re gender distress in adolescent girls as one to answer and then gave a complete waffle non answer. I’m assuming he thought it would make him look good?

He’s completely ignored my two subsequent emails to him to try to engage him in the issue.

The main reason that I cant get on board with the GC feminists because all the arguments they use I have read in articles at times in history when someone wants to deny equal rights to another part of society, the arguments have been used by men when women were trying to get the right to vote and the right to be treated as equals in society, the same arguments have been used by whites against BIPOC people when they were attempting to get more rights, Ive seen the same arguments used by straight people when people of the LGBTQ+ community were trying to get more rights, and its worrying some of the ideology that is being ignored just in favour of one aspect of policy, dont worry about an attempted insurrection they believe what we believe, maybe gc feminists are the old guard before another step in equality in society

tired Thank you very much for posting the youtube link. What an inspiration she is!! She made smile for the first time since the news broke.

Just leave this here

chomalungma

I understand your point. I'm looking at the best of a bad lot.

The Greens called women "non-men" and ignored significant safe guarding concerns about the behaviour of a party member.

Labour called for women's rights campaigners to be expelled from the party and labelled WPUK a hate group. They did not condemn the intimidation of women when a WPUK meeting was disrupted by Labour Party activists. At least one of the leadership candidates stated rapists should be housed with female prisoners if they identified as women.

The Liberal Democrats literally told me they didn't want my vote if I didn't support self ID.

I spoilt my ballot at the last election but if developments in the USA are anything to go by then I don't think I can afford to do that again.

I agree Starmer does not give a fuck about women. The labour party have made their thoughts clear on this. Their contempt for women disgusts me and I not only will no longer vote for them, I will vote against them. Niche issue indeed.

It was totally shocking to me this week as a supporter of the Democrats to see Biden choosing his moment carefully on day one to wipe out women's and girl's rights in the states in one fail swoop. There was no discussion, no consultation. No warning. Just like that he removed centuries of our rights as women. He will now go down in history as the first President that abolished womenhood and Motherhood and women's rights. I am astonished and horrified and reeling actually, even this morning. I have had a few days to process the shock, but no, I am still reeling. It is now punishable to describe a woman as a mother for instance, or to stop a man/boy with a penis showering with your pre teen daughter at school. Prisons can no longer keep women safe, they will now lock up male rapists (Identifying as women, which anyone can now do no questions asked) with trapped female prisoners in cells. Can you imagine being in that position? The horror of being trapped in that situation, as survivor this actually keeps me awake at night. Men can use lavatories, locker rooms and showers with young girls. It is ILLEGAL to now stop them. It is also illegal to stop a man competing in women's sports, making women's and girls sports now obsolete. What girl is going to outrun a biological male? We have literally, as a sex been erased completely from the legal framework and with it all of our protections thanks to Biden. Men can still be men, because that doesn't offend anyone apparently - they will not be called 'testicle havers' or 'ejaculators' it will only be women subjected to this. So that says a lot of modern equality and where we are with it today in the US. Women have been reduced to 'Menstruators' and the highly offensive 'black birthing bodies' if you are describing a mother from the BAME community. That is what we must all be called now. That is the new healing landscape Biden describes as he cuts out the rights of half the nation. Janice Turner as always is an absolute legend, and her excellent article 'War of words risks wiping women from our Language' in the Times this morning is outstanding, and covers the grave situation we ALL now face. For anyone thinking it could never happen here, think again. Read it for yourself

You get what you wish for.

Maybe now people will see the truth behind all the fake news and censorship of trump and realise what a huge fuck up they've made.

But they are not equal rights just that is not what this is about, I think you entirely and spectacularly fail to understand what has happened.

This is not about things being equal, this is about the total erasure of women being women. Being recognised as a woman. Our safety and wellbeing are now compromised in a way that has never happened before.

I would also say I am NOT a GC Feminist whatever they are! I am a 46 year old mother of two daughters with zero experience and knowledge of Feminism movements. But who can fail not to see this? And if the Feminist movements understood this before us, then perhaps we should have listened more carefully whilst we had the chance.

How can you protect something that no longer exists? That is what I want to know?

Maybe now people will see the truth behind all the fake news and censorship of trump and realise what a huge fuck up they've made.

QAnon klaxxon

Our safety and wellbeing are now compromised in a way that has never happened before.

Said by white americans before POC joined their schools

Said by straight white people about gay people being equal

Even a broken clock is right twice a correct. I wouldn’t congratulate the Tories for shit.

Intersectionality exists. Who do you vote for if you’re a disabled women? Or if you have disabled children? These aren’t easy choices, but of course I agree that the erosion of womanhood is a disaster.

Twice a day*

@MaudTheInvincible

I agree Starmer does not give a fuck about women. The labour party have made their thoughts clear on this. Their contempt for women disgusts me and I not only will no longer vote for them, I will vote against them. Niche issue indeed.

Who are you going to vote for? Conservatives? Lib Dems? Greens?

Pickings are slim I'm afraid.

@JustAnotherPoster00

Our safety and wellbeing are now compromised in a way that has never happened before.

Said by white americans before POC joined their schools

Said by straight white people about gay people being equal

@JustAnotherPoster00

People like you throw out this argument like its the same thing. It is not the same thing at all! Those arguments were from people in a position of privilege not wanting those who have been treated as second class humans to have equal rights. This is about people who already have rights wanting to take away from the under privileged, in this case girls and women. It's as if white people had decided they 'know what it is to be black', and were demanding not only to be 'respected as black people', but be allowed to compete for positions and scholarships specifically given to minority groups, to be allowed access to places that minority groups consider just for them.

Maybe now people will see the truth behind all the fake news and censorship of trump and realise what a huge fuck up they've made.

Please.