US erasing Women - Janice Turner

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It was totally shocking to me this week as a supporter of the Democrats to see Biden choosing his moment carefully on day one to wipe out women's and girl's rights in the states in one fail swoop. There was no discussion, no consultation. No warning. Just like that he removed centuries of our rights as women.

He will now go down in history as the first President that abolished womenhood and Motherhood and women's rights. I am astonished and horrified and reeling actually, even this morning. I have had a few days to process the shock, but no, I am still reeling.

It is now punishable to describe a woman as a mother for instance, or to stop a man/boy with a penis showering with your pre teen daughter at school.
Prisons can no longer keep women safe, they will now lock up male rapists (Identifying as women, which anyone can now do no questions asked) with trapped female prisoners in cells. Can you imagine being in that position? The horror of being trapped in that situation, as survivor this actually keeps me awake at night.

Men can use lavatories, locker rooms and showers with young girls. It is ILLEGAL to now stop them. It is also illegal to stop a man competing in women's sports, making women's and girls sports now obsolete. What girl is going to outrun a biological male?

We have literally, as a sex been erased completely from the legal framework and with it all of our protections thanks to Biden. Men can still be men, because that doesn't offend anyone apparently - they will not be called 'testicle havers' or 'ejaculators' it will only be women subjected to this. So that says a lot of modern equality and where we are with it today in the US.

Women have been reduced to 'Menstruators' and the highly offensive 'black birthing bodies' if you are describing a mother from the BAME community. That is what we must all be called now.

That is the new healing landscape Biden describes as he cuts out the rights of half the nation.

Janice Turner as always is an absolute legend, and her excellent article 'War of words risks wiping women from our Language' in the Times this morning is outstanding, and covers the grave situation we ALL now face. For anyone thinking it could never happen here, think again.

Read it for yourself:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/war-of-words-risks-wiping-women-from-our-language-djhp2mwjg

So what you are saying is you are waiting for someone to come along who has the exact same principles as you on everything?

@Jetatyeovilaerodrome

I personally never expect to have politicians agree with every principle or value I have. I do expect them not to support highly racist, homophobic, disablists or misogynistic policies. Thats my line, any party that pushes any of these ideals is not getting my vote.

And yet Biden just did that. He made no secret of his wokery. People just decided he was better than the other guy.

Yes, but that was a very extreme example! There was no good choice for women in America. He is better than the other guy.

Heisbetter than the other guy.

In what way?

Yes, but that was a very extreme example! There was no good choice for women in America. He is better than the other guy.

Are you suggesting Starmer isn’t better than Johnson? Surely if he’s better, and this isn’t an extreme example, there’s no need for him to mislead me, or the woke women who put him where he is?

Anyway, it matters not. The argument here seems to be, “He’s a liar, but he’s our liar.”

Well, nobody is my liar. I want someone with principles, even if I don’t share all of them.

In what way?

Seriously? You want me to list that?

Well, for starters, not potentially causing massive dangerous international relations issues via the Twitter app.

Do you honestly think that Donald Trump is a better choice than Joe Biden? Including for women?

And btw, how is electing someone who is prepared to tell massive lies to get elected on the left any different to electing someone with similar standards on the right? Starmer either knows what a woman is and lying about it, or he thinks there’s no such thing as binary sex and he’s post-truth.

Why are people surprised by this, the agenda was never hidden!? I was reading the thread gloating about Biden's inauguration wondering to myself how many of them would end up thinking the phrase 'be careful what you wish for' exists for a reason!

I suppose when Ms Harris ascends to POTUS there'll still be loads of celebrating the US's first female president. It'll make interesting reading watching the mental contortion!

Are you suggesting Starmer isn’t better than Johnson? Surely if he’s better, and this isn’t an extreme example, there’s no need for him to mislead me, or the woke women who put him where he is?

Like I said, it's a long time until the election (and my god doesn't it feel a long way off!) Starmer has work to do within Labour to ensure he is still leader by the time the election actually comes round and that we don't go back to square one. Making a big deal of GRA reform at this moment in time, especially when everyone is preoccupied with another issue, and Labour won't be able to do anything about it for at least another almost 3 years anyway, would be a mistake.

I get that you disagree with that kind of political strategy as a whole though. And maybe I am just placing too much faith in him!

I suppose when Ms Harris ascends to POTUS there'll still be loads of celebrating the US's first female president. It'll make interesting reading watching the mental contortion!

If the Republicans have any sense, they’ll find the most gun-toting misogynist in America, call ‘her’ Kelly, say she’s a woman and then claim the first female President of the United States was a Republican. And neither Harris nor Biden will be able to say a damn thing about it.

Like I said, it's a long time until the election (and my god doesn't it feel a long way off!)

But what do you mean? That it doesn’t matter, in 2024, what he said in 2019? So it’s fine for him to get elected by lying, then betray the people who voted for him as leader, and row back on what he said were matters of principle? To just deceive people for power? How is that any different from Johnson, or Trump?

Well, for starters, not potentially causing massive dangerous international relations issues via the Twitter app.

1. Trump was a absolute dick on Twitter (and in general), but for all of this 'he almost started WW3' he didn't. He actually did more for foreign peace than many previous president before him.

1. Do you think Biden will make it through his entire term doing the same? I will be shocked if its the case. Hes a 'real' politician, and they don't mind getting a bit of blood on their hands.

Do you honestly think that Donald Trump is a better choice than Joe Biden? Including for women?

He was an awful president, awful person and I'd never have voted for him. He isn't better for the White House, but that doesn't mean Biden isn't equally as bad. If you're shitting on a huge group of people from a great height and taking their rights away, then you shouldn't be heading a country or government. If he was doing this to a minority group, would you be so quick to say 'so what, that group shouldn't think their rights are so special that they can't see the bigger picture of a 'better' country'?

I refer to the part in the article where the term 'black birthing bodies' is used:

'Yet a male NHS gynaecologist tweets about “labouring people”, as if he means toilers on building sites. A female health charity speaks of “black birthing bodies”, a term for BAME women so dehumanising it evokes the word “breeders” used of fertile female slaves. Even Sands, which supports those bereaved by stillbirth and neonatal death, referred to “birthing parents”: on top of losing a baby, women were denied even motherhood itself'

Anyone that can seriously expect us to use such dehumanising language, along with 'breeders' and other such derogatory terms quite frankly needs to resign!

Including the President himself.

I am stunned and appalled in equal measure that ANYONE in this day and age thinks this is remotely okay.

One has to consider if he even has full capacity to have signed this on day one in the first place, without discussion - or do we feel it is malicious and he knows exactly what he is doing? Biden either understands the full impact, and does not care or he does not understand and therefore is incompetent.

Yes we knew it was on the cards, to some degree, but no one anywhere expected Biden to sign on DAY ONE our rights away in this way. Erasing our rights and protections altogether.

No, I don't think it is an understatement to say the implications on this will be enormous, a catastrophe for us and for our daughters with the mother of all battles about to happen now.

And to think he said he would be 'healing divisions'

I'm surprised you are so shocked by this. The dems position on this issue has been very clear. The women of the USA had a very difficult choice, vote Republican and risk Roe vs Wade being overturned, particularly worrying given the make up of the SC, or vote Democrat and have women as a legally recognised entity erased.

Campaigners in the UK have been making this point for several years and yet it is only the Conservative party who still seem to know what a woman is. I have never voted for them but feel I might have to be pragmatic and do just that at the next election.

Censorship by social media will only serve to continue to silence dissenting voices.

What shocks me more is thinking that Janice Turner is brave for speaking up for women. How did we get here?

@AStudyinPink

examples of official UK crime statistics no longer including sex but ‘gender’

I was asked by a website for my “gender” yesterday. I was given the opportunity to “customise” it, so I said “fruit”.

When you order a home test for Covid-19 in my area it asks for 'gender' not sex.

When you order a home test for Covid-19 in my area it asks for 'gender' not sex.

Embarrassingly awful.

And all the gullible people get distracted so easily. Like lemmings. Every one of these comments. No attempt to research outside of these papers. Stupidity and hypocrisy at it's finest. Yes... You'll keep voting the same way.

I'm appalled by this. The classification of UK crimes by gender of offender if also terrible. Gender is now a meaningless term - biological sex is the only indicator that matters.

No wonder Nicola seems desperate to be his best pal.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/landmark-ruling-puberty-blockers-ban-23213602

The main thing keeping Trump from starting a war IMO was his inability to organise a piss-up in a brewery and to put in the hours. It’s just luck (or maybe sensible grown-ups working behind the scenes) that he didn’t start one by accident.

And btw, as a lifelong Labour voter, I have to hold my hands up and congratulate the Johnson government for holding the line about what is true and what is invented, for protecting children from a dangerous ideology, and for refusing to bend to the cultural post-truth movement to reform laws that do not need to be reformed and would represent a danger to every adult female in this country, as well as to free speech. Respect to Liz Truss, in particular. It’s important work.

But what do you mean? That it doesn’t matter, in 2024, what he said in 2019? So it’s fine for him to get elected by lying, then betray the people who voted for him as leader, and row back on what he said were matters of principle? To just deceive people for power? How is that any different from Johnson, or Trump?

If GRA reform is in the 2023 Labour Manifesto, then Keir has to deliver on that obviously. Labour won't have got my vote though.

But I think it would be reasonable for Starmer to say that he was unaware of the effect that such reform would have on women's rights and that the status quo is sufficient. Do you not think he can ever take a different path on this now?

He hasn't actually really said that much himself on GRA reform, he has been fairly non-committal. It was notable that it was Angela Rayner not him that did the big Trans Day of Remembrance spiel. And yes, of course what she said represents his party, but I think it's interesting that he has stayed relatively quiet on this issue. Maybe I am reading things that aren't there.

Anyway, for all his 'principles' Jeremy Corbyn would have thrown his own granny under a bus if he thought it made him look good to certain people.

Campaigners in the UK have been making this point for several years and yet it is only the Conservative party who still seem to know what a woman is. I have never voted for them but feel I might have to be pragmatic and do just that at the next election

Do they?

So why haven't they repealed the GRA, made sure that crimes etc are recorded as sex based, not gender based?

If they were serious about women, then this is what they would surely do?

Indeed, how did we get here FOJN

We got here by stealth, by blackmail (you get to choose between two old
misogynists that could not care less about women: and you call this 'progress'

We got here by being polite, caring for other's feelings, by wishing to be inclusive, understanding other's plights, we got here by being mothers, sisters and daughters supporting every person regardless of their ID, we got here by being honest, decent caring people. And where has it got us? A hateful campaign against us has been allowed to flourish, it has bankrolled/steam rolled its way into the heart of the White House and this is the result.

I don't regret my wholehearted support for transgender people to have equal rights, to be treated with respect and to feel included and valued in our society - but the cause has clearly been hijacked by those that intend to seriously, seriously harm us. They are certainly not content to live side by side respectfully, but to erase us completely.

We can not ignore it any longer.

Jetatyeovilaerodrome

He wasn’t non-committal. He supported reform of the GRA. He says TWAW. He has committed to positions of principle. If he changes his mind (which he can do) I will want to hear his arguments. I will want to ask him, “Sir Keir, when did you start thinking TWAW, why, and when did you change your mind?”

And I don’t agree with you on Corbyn. I think he is a man of straightforward beliefs, and he acts on them.