US erasing Women - Janice Turner

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It was totally shocking to me this week as a supporter of the Democrats to see Biden choosing his moment carefully on day one to wipe out women's and girl's rights in the states in one fail swoop. There was no discussion, no consultation. No warning. Just like that he removed centuries of our rights as women.

He will now go down in history as the first President that abolished womenhood and Motherhood and women's rights. I am astonished and horrified and reeling actually, even this morning. I have had a few days to process the shock, but no, I am still reeling.

It is now punishable to describe a woman as a mother for instance, or to stop a man/boy with a penis showering with your pre teen daughter at school.
Prisons can no longer keep women safe, they will now lock up male rapists (Identifying as women, which anyone can now do no questions asked) with trapped female prisoners in cells. Can you imagine being in that position? The horror of being trapped in that situation, as survivor this actually keeps me awake at night.

Men can use lavatories, locker rooms and showers with young girls. It is ILLEGAL to now stop them. It is also illegal to stop a man competing in women's sports, making women's and girls sports now obsolete. What girl is going to outrun a biological male?

We have literally, as a sex been erased completely from the legal framework and with it all of our protections thanks to Biden. Men can still be men, because that doesn't offend anyone apparently - they will not be called 'testicle havers' or 'ejaculators' it will only be women subjected to this. So that says a lot of modern equality and where we are with it today in the US.

Women have been reduced to 'Menstruators' and the highly offensive 'black birthing bodies' if you are describing a mother from the BAME community. That is what we must all be called now.

That is the new healing landscape Biden describes as he cuts out the rights of half the nation.

Janice Turner as always is an absolute legend, and her excellent article 'War of words risks wiping women from our Language' in the Times this morning is outstanding, and covers the grave situation we ALL now face. For anyone thinking it could never happen here, think again.

Read it for yourself:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/war-of-words-risks-wiping-women-from-our-language-djhp2mwjg

HmmSureJan
Virtue: moral or high standards. 'virtue signalling' is another phrase successfully co-opted by the right. What is so wrong in signalling, ie conveying, that you have virtue?

I suspect you already know this and are just on a wind up, but anyone who has to tell others how good and wonderful they are is usually the sort of person who buys a homeless person a sausage roll then posts about it on social media, complete with photos, then sits back and waits for the Likes to come in.

All fur coat and no knickers.

If it was an observation then it would be a good thing, going by the definition 🙄

That's disingenuous because you know it is an insult these days

I certainly don't use it as an insult. It's a factual observation.

@AKissAndASmile

Instead of acknowledging that words matter and that co-opting a word that black people used to mean becoming aware of systemic racism is wrong, you are happy to continue using it as an insult.

Oh stop it. The sooner everyone wakes up to this sly technique of racialising discussions and interactions, so that accusations of racism can be made in order to shut down the convo and frighten people into backing down, the better.

@Sn0tnose

HmmSureJan Virtue: moral or high standards. 'virtue signalling' is another phrase successfully co-opted by the right. What is so wrong in signalling, ie conveying, that you have virtue?

I suspect you already know this and are just on a wind up, but anyone who has to tell others how good and wonderful they are is usually the sort of person who buys a homeless person a sausage roll then posts about it on social media, complete with photos, then sits back and waits for the Likes to come in.

All fur coat and no knickers.

I don't give a damn about you and your 'cause' if you are happy to throw black people under the bus.

It appears the established power structures can quickly and easily identify women and discriminate accordingly. This is observable across all geographies, cultures and throughout history and is consistently very effective. Women lose out because of this.

When women try to articulate their own reality, use words to accurately describe it, or establish clear boundaries to better achieve equality, we are suddenly very difficult to see. We are as changeable and intangible as sea mist. Therefore, we must not limit women by attempting to define what women are.

Women lose out because of this too.

No black people are being thrown under any buses. Language changes. You should already know this as a staunch SJW and I suspect you do but as I said are attempting to frighten people into shutting up by telling them they're being racist. Woke is widely used now to describe a certain kind of person of any race, holding and overtly displaying certain views in line with identity politics and theories of Social Justice. I am trying to make up my mind if you already know this very well but are finding it hard to let go of your tried and tested racism accusation weapon, or are just out of date and not particularly well informed around the causes you claim to support. Whoever it is, it's not working, change tack.

I don't give a damn about you and your 'cause' if you are happy to throw black people under the bus

Have you had a difficult day?

Racism of any form is abhorrent. Utterly unacceptable in any way, shape or form whatsoever.

If it was an observation then it would be a good thing, going by the definition

No. An observation can be negative or entirely neutral. But personally speakingI do see virtue signalling as a negative. I think it's vapid, attention seeking behaviour, and it's responsible for problematic scenarios like abusive online mobs, cancel culture and purity spirals.

Woke is widely used now to describe a certain kind of person of any race, holding and overtly displaying certain views in line with identity politics and theories of Social Justice.

Agree. Rightly or wrongly, that's what it's come to mean to a wider audience. Critical and queer theory.

@Sn0tnose

I don't give a damn about you and your 'cause' if you are happy to throw black people under the bus

Have you had a difficult day?

Racism of any form is abhorrent. Utterly unacceptable in any way, shape or form whatsoever.

I've had a difficult life, not just day.

@HmmSureJan

No black people are being thrown under any buses. Language changes. You should already know this as a staunch SJW and I suspect you do but as I said are attempting to frighten people into shutting up by telling them they're being racist. Woke is widely used now to describe a certain kind of person of any race, holding and overtly displaying certain views in line with identity politics and theories of Social Justice. I am trying to make up my mind if you already know this very well but are finding it hard to let go of your tried and tested racism accusation weapon, or are just out of date and not particularly well informed around the causes you claim to support. Whoever it is, it's not working, change tack.

Good for you. You've taken our word 'woke' and co-opted it to belittle us. Well done. 🙏🏾

Good for you. You've taken our word 'woke' and co-opted it to belittle us. Well done. 🙏🏾

Nope

@HmmSureJan

Good for you. You've taken our word 'woke' and co-opted it to belittle us. Well done. 🙏🏾

Nope

You win because you said 'nope'

This isn't a battle for me. No winning. I just reject your accusations and framing of the discussion 🤷🏼‍♀️

@ClangingChimesofDoom

Do you think when you make insane statements like all bame mothers must be called "black birthing bodies" you alienate any part of your message that had any sense?

It IS an insane statement but it wasn't made up the the OP. I don't have a source but I'm sure it was said by some organisation on twitter or similar.

So made up.

The source was posted upthread.

It's a statement from a US organisation called National Partnership for Women and Families on Twitter @NPWF. The tweet and responses are still there.

@AKissAndASmile

Do you know the phrase 'people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'? According to your posting history, you have zero issue using the highly misogynistic term 'Karen' - a phrase invented by hateful, hugely sexist alt-right men. Yet are trying to shut down a discussion about women's sex based rights by throwing out accusations about racism. Or do you think it's ok to be a misogynist? Why have you convinced yourself that some words are ok and others are appropriation?

So made up

NO.

Sinful8

Yeah, but not by the OP.

No the term 'black birthing bodies' was used as a highly offensive term to describe pregnant BAME women, and highlighted by the very article in the Times that we are all talking about on here, please make an effort to at least read the thread.
On the first page of the thread there is a link to an excellent article written by the amazing Janice Turner in the Times that highlights the despicable terms being used by the NHS and charities to describe mothers. Please read the article - and then you can post your view in that order sinful

No one is 'making it up'! I wish to God we were.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/war-of-words-risks-wiping-women-from-our-language-djhp2mwjg

'Black birthing bodies' really does make my skin crawl.

@HmmSureJan

No black people are being thrown under any buses. Language changes. You should already know this as a staunch SJW and I suspect you do but as I said are attempting to frighten people into shutting up by telling them they're being racist. Woke is widely used now to describe a certain kind of person of any race, holding and overtly displaying certain views in line with identity politics and theories of Social Justice. I am trying to make up my mind if you already know this very well but are finding it hard to let go of your tried and tested racism accusation weapon, or are just out of date and not particularly well informed around the causes you claim to support. Whoever it is, it's not working, change tack.

The history of racism tells us how important language is. It's only a few decades since the N word was used freely. Language is still used to demean black people: the frequent characterisation of black people's emotions as angry and threatening being just one example.

One of the ways black people have been oppressed is by not being allowed to define themselves. The resonance of describing black women as 'bodies' is particularly troubling, given how black people have persistently been dehumanised.

That being the case, may I ask you when black women consented to language changing, so they can no longer be described as women? You are blasé about it - by what right do you get to decide it is OK?

Have women been consulted? Have black women been consulted? Or has this been opposed by other people? What do you think would happen if women were surveyed as to whether they preferred to be described as women or bodies?

Black women's rights are not yours to give away.