To ask you if there was a general election today, who would you vote for?

[Ponderousness]

Just curious really. Seen a lot of hate for the governments handling of various things but they did recently win by a landslide and I’m not sure if people truly believe the opposition could do better.

So if it was just red or blue and there were a vote today, who would you vote for?

I’d vote Labour.

YABU - Conservative
YANBU - Labour

@tiredqueen you think the tories care about women?? Hahahhahahahahahahahahaha

@Hoiking

Conservative. Always have, and until a party emerges who are actually interested in making hard choices, not just ideological pandering, I always will.

Ideological pandering pretty much sums up everything the Tories have done over the last few years! How funny...

And isn't it funny as well how 'hard choices' always apply to the poor and the vulnerable, not to the wealthy and privileged? How about some hard choices where taxing high earners/corporations are concerned? Or some hard choices about having cabinet members/civil servants who might actually speak truth to power rather than a bunch of nodding dogs who stroke your ego and never challenge your authority, such as it is, no matter what you do? Or hard choices like telling your cronies 'No you can't have this contract/public money/seat in the lords as I don't think you're best placed to do a good job.'?

Or some hard truths like 'It's not the EU's fault your area is run down and your industry has vanished to be replaced by fuck all. Those choices were made in Westminster, not Brussels'?

Tories - hard choices for everyone except themselves as far as I can see....

[quote Perfect28]@tiredqueen you think the tories care about women?? Hahahhahahahahahahahahaha[/quote]
I'm not going to get into an argument about this because I think your comment is clearly political. But what I will say is this

Labour do not care about the rights of women and this has been shown clearly in their push for self Id to become recognised

The Conservative party have had 2 female prime ministers. Labour have had none.

I don't exclusively vote for the conservatives. In fact I didn't vote for them in the last election. I listen to the messages that they're portraying and I make my decisions accordingly.

Anyone who blanket dismisses a party based on their own bias is simply incapable of making their own decisions imo.

Conservative

Ideological pandering pretty much sums up everything the Tories have done over the last few years! How funny...

How so?

@Hoiking Um... where to start? I mean, do you follow the news (from a variety of sources) at all? Austerity was largely ideological, Brexit is through and through an ideological project of the right wing, and if you doubt that, pushing through a hard brexit and risking no deal in the face of Covid upheaval was the very definition of ideology over pragmatism. The cabinet is full of rabid right-wingers, no matter how lacking in talent and experience - again only an ideologue would surround themselves in that way. Even Thatcher had people in there from the other wing of the party. I could go on and on...You've got a leader of the house who makes a pathetic quip about fish being happy to be British when told of serious problems in the fishing industry as a result of Brexit. All of this is about putting ideology in front of sensible policies.

You really ought to look in to who you are voting for.

Labour, unless the evidence suggested a tactical Libdem vote would unseat our invisible sitting Tory MP.

The government here is a Labour one. Useless shower of shite that they are.

I think people on mumsnet are more labour than the general population so labour might win this poll but it won't be representative (im a labour party member but thinking of leaving. Not sure i could ever vote tory though, I dont really understand why anyone does!)

@Redburnett

Labour, unless the evidence suggested a tactical Libdem vote would unseat our invisible sitting Tory MP.

Same here.

I’m looking at you, Geoffrey Clifton-Brown. Or at least I would be if you were anywhere to be seen.

I'd vote LD, but only because I live in a Tory/LD marginal.

Anywhere else in England or Wales, I'd reluctantly vote Labour (with the exception of Brighton Pavilion, where I'd vote Green to keep Caroline Lucas in parliament). In Scotland, I'd probably vote SNP. In NI, Sinn Fein or SDLP.

I despair of UK politics at the moment. Johnson is a complete joke, but all the alternatives are worse and/or scarey. The Labour party under Starmer will be Blairite which, while it would be a massive improvement on the Tories, will never deliver the radical changes we need to lift families out of poverty, house them and invest the resources that our infrastructure, NHS and schools so desperately need.

Being an old fart, I can remember Harold Wilson's Labour governments. They would be regarded as hard-left these days, it's like the whole of politics has shifted several places to the right.

I would really struggle. I have broadly socialist principles when it comes to things like healthcare, the benefit safety net, social housing etc but I really don't like the purity spirals of identity politics that have captured the left and the damage being done to women's rights as a consequence. Couldn't vote for the Tories if they were the last party on earth. I am politically homeless. I'd probably hold my nose and vote Labour because our local Labour MP is halfway decent. Either that or spoil my ballot paper in protest.

@DynamoKev

I'm so sick of hearing people claim the tories are "against feeding hungry children" - no, they're just not taking the action YOU want them to take. Kids are still hungry under Tory government though.

Labour will not create some sort of utopia. I don't buy into the popular narrative of the conservatives ripping food from the mouths of hungry babes because they increased UC rather than providing FSM

Maybe one of the reasons people vote Tory is because they believe people should feed their own kids and not rely on others to feed them. Just a thought.

Austerity is a sensible response to years of overspending. Overspending with no plans to pay back, is ideology.

Brexit was leaving an ideological experiment.

I dunno. I like to think that if, through no fault of my own, I lost my job and was struggling, there would be a support system to help my child not go hungry. And that the support is there for others.

It strikes me as odd that the idea of children going hungry is appealing to some people.

There is, it's called benefits.

Labour will not create some sort of utopia. I don't buy into the popular narrative of the conservatives ripping food from the mouths of hungry babes because they increased UC rather than providing FSM

It's hardly a utopia because children are being given one free meal per day! Labour did cut child poverty massively, and that wasn't utopic either but was a damned sight better than it is now that the Tories have managed to reverse a lot of the gains in that respect.

And it's not a 'popular narrative', it's a fact that more children are going hungry under the Tories than previously. And the £20 uplift in UC will come to an end soon, though Labour are pressing the government to leave it in place. Just 6 Tories rebelled the government order to abstain on that vote. This isn't a 'popular narrative' - it's what's happening.

Labour.

Tory cuts to public services over their term have impacted severely on our ability to manage the pandemic.
'Bare bones' management ( yet able to find millions to contract their cronies private businesses)

@Hoiking

Austerity is a sensible response to years of overspending. Overspending with no plans to pay back, is ideology.

Brexit was leaving an ideological experiment.

Sorry, but, bullshit. Austerity targeted in the way it was was not sensible at all. Making people poorer and failing to invest in the nation you're leading leads to stagnation. Running a country isn't the same as running a household, even though the Tory press successfully got everyone parroting 'we need to live within our means,' without the faintest understanding of economics...And, again, it was the poor and vulnerable who suffered the most.

I voted reluctantly tory last election as hated corbyn and his policies.

I'd probably vote Labour in the next election

@Perfect28
“How anyone in their right mind could possibly even entertain the thought of voting tory after this absolute shit show I have no idea. I really hope you didn't stand outside clapping for carers, if you did, you're disingenuous.“

This.
Clap for key workers who are saving our lives but slide all the funding out from under them. Totally bloody hypocritical.

@lurchersrule

Totally agree with your comment about ‘hard choices’.
Funnily enough, the hard choices Tory voters want made are those that don’t raise their taxes or effect them in anyway.

Labour as always.

@Hoiking

That's absolute nonsense. Austerity was a result of the economic crash caused by the rich. The rich have continued to get richer whilst the rest of us pay. Inequality has increased in the last decade.

It's absolutely astonishing that anyone would defend these policies.