Theresa Bloody May!

[Icanseegreenshoots]

Why on earth doesn't she just shut up and fade from view? She is the very worst PM we have ever had, what in the world makes her think anyone cares what she thinks

I am stunned by her arrogance, she was the laughing stock of the whole world for years, and yet she feels qualified to still pass comment?

Please can someone tell her WE DONT CARE what you think, you had your chance and you stuffed it up with your robotic soundbites and your lack of backbone, now please depart with dignity.

@VinylDetective

The deaths would have been the same under May, one feels

I don’t think they would. She’s so cautious by nature. I reckon the first lockdown would have been sooner, the borders would have been closed and she certainly wouldn’t have allowed thousands of patients to be discharged to care homes untested.

Can't be sure. I see your point, but my point is that in Govt nobody is really in control of adult social care. Her attempted 'dementia tax' fell at at the first hurdle, it was a shambles. Not sure anyone could actually stop NHS CCG chief executives doing what they wanted. The NHS has been outsourced to Sir Simon Stevens - it's deliberate, so the Govt can't be held responsible for anything - and there's no accountability.

The State is in control now, not the Govt.

May wasn't on top of her brief re Windrush deportations. Nor was she much of a successful gambler - see her calling a snap election.

As for Corbyn, it's nice to think he'd have done better. But a new incumbent cannot just turn around the ship of state in two months. His attempts at furlough - while might have been the same as Sunak's- would have been slammed as socialism gone mad.

For all that, Corbyn and Starmer lost out on bragging rights re the pandemic by concentrating on the long, drawn-out leadership election rather than raising concerns about it in PM's Question Time. Nobody was at the helm of either ship when it counted and actually, come to think of it, I can't see May skipping no less than 5 Cobra meetings on the Covid crisis as Johnsons did, so you may well have a point.

@Icanseegreenshoots

For someone who won a LANDSLIDE election, it is quite strange that so many on here don't like Boris. Despite much of the country voting for him!

Boris a fabulous PM, he promised to get a brexit deal and he has, he promised to do his best to deliver a vaccine and he has - and yet some people are still not happy. I think he is great, and will go down in history as one of the best PMs we have ever had, and I don't think it is going to matter whether you personally like or not.

He delivered democracy - end of.

Ever heard of Scotland. It was scientists who delivered the vaccine. He locked down too late, is responsible for thousands of deaths. He has paid millions of taxpayers money to his cronies who couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. He ha deliberately ignored traditional public health services in the NHS because he plans to privatise the whole thing . He is narcissistic and misogynistic. He is unscrupulous and amoral. I could go on. Theresa was no great politician. She lacked charisma and emotional intelligence . But she is miles above Boris.

Well as it turned out it WAS an oven ready deal!!

No it wasn't.

@Peregrina

I would love a female Johnson to come into power personally, someone with a bit of zest and personality.

A scruffily dressed woman PM who had had at least six children by three different men, and probably more would be absolutely crucified in the press. The kindest comment would be that she was a slag.

Exactly! I mean, quite how anyone watching this current shower could conclude that someone other than Boris Johnson was the 'worst PM ever' baffles me.

And this isn't a party political thing. I dislike TN's politics as much as I dislike those of Boris Johnson. It's a character thing. And a desire to see leaders act like Statesmen and Women.

I can not share someone's politics and still admire their leadership and conviction. Sadly, at a time when we needed it most, we have a leader who is devoid of character, whose moral compass is missing, and for whom leadership and integrity seem entirely alien concepts.

Give it a rest Govey

But I do very much like the idea of Green Conservatives, and a new start. I like the idea of that very much.

Labour to me look old, washed up and have long since run out of ideas after the civil war that erupted in the party between hard left and moderate left has left them battered and bruise and they seem to have turned in on themselves.

Since then they have blown up the life raft and are currently treading water with Starmer constantly having to plug the holes in a vessel that is fast sinking. Labour are now afraid to commit to anything, unable to be confident about any position, fractured beyond repair with no direction at all.

They need wholesale change from top to bottom before they even start to form an identity again.

So no, I can't support Labour at the moment, and I can't see that changing any time soon.

@EvilPea

I think she’s been fairly dignified since she’s gone and this is the first time she’s spoken up.

I agree she has been fairly dignified - more so than Blair.

I think she was a poor PM.
Partly because I didn't agree with many of her policies and initiatives (eg 'hostile environment' for immigrants)
partly because of her character - she was a ditherer.
But also because she was a woman in an Old Boys Network.

However, I think she was better than Cameron with his stupid and cowardly 'advisory referendum' instead of sorting out internal squabbles and MUCH better than Johnson who is also a ditherer like May, no backbone /arrogant like Cameron but supremely lazy too!!

@DrManhattan

How can you say she's the worst when we have Boris??

She WAS the worst, but now we have Boris.

Sorry for typos! Being battered by winds myself here.

I'm no fan of May, but her successor is worse!

I feel you but I don't think she has such an out of control ego as Boris Johnson who is the worst PM, imo

@DrManhattan

How can you say she's the worst when we have Boris??

Quite

Even if you don't agree that Boris is awesome you can at least admit this thread is a nice break from covid

52andBlue: *I agree she has been fairly dignified - more so than Blair.

I think she was a poor PM.
Partly because I didn't agree with many of her policies and initiatives (eg 'hostile environment' for immigrants)
partly because of her character - she was a ditherer.
But also because she was a woman in an Old Boys Network.

However, I think she was better than Cameron with his stupid and cowardly 'advisory referendum' instead of sorting out internal squabbles and MUCH better than Johnson who is also a ditherer like May, no backbone /arrogant like Cameron but supremely lazy too!!*

Entirely agree!

I don't see an 'out of control' ego when I look at Boris, what I see is confidence.

I don't think people realise what a difficult childhood he had either. Anyone else would be applauded for overcoming such difficulties.

@EvilPea

I don’t think she was our worst. But I also don’t think she stood a chance, no one respected her. I do think whoever it had been to take over after “I’m not sorting this mess out” cameron , was going to be a sacrificial lamb

No one respected her because of her behaviour prior to being PM. We wouldn'[t have to recruit so many police if it wasn't for her. Terrible in every role she has had.

I genuinely think her critics came down on her with full power because she is a woman, and their egos couldn’t comprehend being led by a woman.

Goes to show we still have lots of work to do

@Icanseegreenshoots

I don't see an 'out of control' ego when I look at Boris, what I see is confidence.

I don't think people realise what a difficult childhood he had either. Anyone else would be applauded for overcoming such difficulties.

You need an eye test.

@borntobequiet

She was a dreadful Home Secretary whose policies harmed many people. She led a party I fundamentally disagree with. But in terms of probity, competence and understanding she stands head and shoulders above the incompetents, grifters and bullshitters that make up our current Government, particularly bullshitter-in-chief Johnson.

Absolutely.

And as a serving MP she has every right to express opinions and concerns she has.

Indeed

Why on earth should she be ‘quiet’ she’s an MP for f*cks sake.

I can't stand her, but she was prime minister under difficult circumstances (though obviously she volunteered).

I would actually say the worst Prime minister for continually giving their opinion when not required is Tony Blair, you could also say he was one of the worst Prime ministers in general if you think of Iraq, Afghanistan, laying the foundations for the 2008 financial crisis.

@Icanseegreenshoots

I don't see an 'out of control' ego when I look at Boris, what I see is confidence.

I don't think people realise what a difficult childhood he had either. Anyone else would be applauded for overcoming such difficulties.

Confidence isn’t the same as competence, or any of the other qualities that make a good Prime Minister. Neither is the one’s upbringing of any relevance. The only criterion is how well the job is done, benefiting as many as possible and harming as few. The twin horrors of Brexit and Covid, and the perverse and poor decision making that have blighted both of them, are what characterise Johnson’s tenure as PM.

Op - How many people died in Iraq war?

I don't think people realise what a difficult childhood he had either. Anyone else would be applauded for overcoming such difficulties.

There is only one woman on this planet who would look at him with those eyes,

Carrie, you sleeping well these days?