Theresa Bloody May!

[Icanseegreenshoots]

Why on earth doesn't she just shut up and fade from view? She is the very worst PM we have ever had, what in the world makes her think anyone cares what she thinks

I am stunned by her arrogance, she was the laughing stock of the whole world for years, and yet she feels qualified to still pass comment?

Please can someone tell her WE DONT CARE what you think, you had your chance and you stuffed it up with your robotic soundbites and your lack of backbone, now please depart with dignity.

[Mittens030869]

She is the very worst PM we have ever had, what in the world makes her think anyone cares what she thinks confused

Nope, that accolade goes to BoJo. With coward Cameron (rats and sinking ships spring to mind) a close second.

[NewspaperTaxis]

Thanks @RosesAndHellebores

Not withstanding (is that one word or two) what I went through with Grayling and SS (and I'm still kind of amazed that a millionaire Cabinet minister, one of the most powerful people in the land, could be be run rings around by Council social workers on about £30K a year, unless he was complicit in it all) I'm glad things went well for you and your family situation.

I think there was some nasty politics going on with us, because I'd exposed illegal immigration linked to the Council to the press at a time when Theresa May, Grayling's mate, was sending her 'Go home if you're illegal' promo vans around the country.

[RosesAndHellebores]

I am very very sorry about your mother's and your family's experiences .

I would concur that my one dalliance with ss in Epsom was utterly grim.

[NewspaperTaxis]

[quote RosesAndHellebores]@NewspaperTaxis he's my MP too so you can't be far away from me. I can agree he was a poor minister and I'm tempted to break into a rendition of "we three ships" every time I see him but when we had tremendous issues securing MH care for dd he was marvellously helpful. So my experience is that he is a good constituency MP and I've heard from many people that he has helped them greatly.[/quote]
Well, if you're from Epsom & Ewell you may remember this story in the local paper a few years ago:

www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/epsom/15047489.fast-tracked-for-the-morgue-vulnerable-mother-not-checked-overnight-by-care-home-staff-could-have-drowned-in-vomit-at-priory-court-care-home-in-ewell/

That's my mother in the story.

We went to see Chris Grayling three times over the course of the year to complain about what Epsom & Ewell Social Services were doing to us - we'd given notice at Priory Court after their poor care but our move to another care home was nixed by them, while SS played a game with us. This appeared to be revenge because I'd taken another Surrey care home - Firtree House in Banstead - to the press, also after poor care, as the paper revealed how it had failed its CQC inspection on all counts and not told anyone, and how it had been hiring illegal immigrants.

Mum was in hospital for a month and a half after what Firtree did to her.

Curiously, Grayling never even hinted to us that might be the reason the Council's Social Services were playing funny buggers, even though I'd raised the news story in our first meeting.
I suspect he was using our meetings to carry out surveillance on us and feed back to his mates at the Surrey-led Council - I raised this in a letter to the paper much later and he never denied it.
The advice he gave us was misinformation. He can claim incompetence, quite credibly given his record, on this point.
We gave notice to Priory Court care home in March. Eventually we got out in mid July that year. During that time my mother's life was put at risk several times, not just in the story I've linked to, while along the way Social Services tried every trick to trip us up. They ignored all our concerns about the care home, doctored the minutes, tried to get us to sign a 'contract' admitting all sorts of things that were false, you name it. Started off pretending to be our new best friends, so we would have our guard down.
Grayling said he'd raise questions with them and took their word on everything, though it took over a month for him to get back to us, and would only respond mostly in one line emails.
We were at our wits' end and he was clueless in that way that seems designed to make you think it's not wilful negligence.
In the end, Grayling resorted to sarcasm to me in his email when like I say it was July and we'd been desperate to get Mum out since March.

Eventually we did get Mum out to a care home in Kingston, but we had to use all our wiles to outwit Epsom & Ewell Social Services. I let Grayling have it in an email. He seemed petulant that we had succeeded in getting Mum away from the area.
I now have a Twitter feed called @GraylingLegacy.

Social Services' Jean Hills and Sherene West have a special place in Sheila's care for what they allowed to happen to her. They have never even contacted us over what happened in that incident, never asked to see the footage and their dodgy conduct was the only reason I had the spy camera in the room in the first place.
Like Grayling, they are un-sackable - probably because of all the dirty secrets they know.
Grayling is an utter bastard and I think he has blood on his hands for what he has allowed to happen to the elderly in his constituency. His legacy can be seen in the care home genocide that's happened in the country this last year - that said, everyone is culpable, that is to say, all the State regulators, the local NHS CCG, the whole shebang.
Since my mother died, all I've heard about is how rubbish he is and how many care home deaths there have been.

[Buddytheelf85]

*are democrats. Trump got a remarkable share of the black and ethnic minority vote. Black doesn’t automatically equal Democrat.

[Buddytheelf85]

I doubt they thought they were going to overthrow democracy. They were hardly capable of that. Just a bunch of violent stupid twats doing what they like best. Much like the democrats in the riots last year setting fire to people's businesses, looting, and generally acting like violent stupid twats.

Of course they thought they were going to overthrow democracy - that was their stated aim. Those ‘violent stupid twats’ stormed a government building in order to disrupt a crucial part of the democratic process and to threaten (at best) the people involved in executing that process.

When you refer to ‘the riots last year’ and ‘violent stupid twats’, do you mean the Black Lives Matter protests? Because I think a lot of people would take major exception to you saying that the BLM protests were equivalent to Trump supporters and QAnon adherents storming the Capitol.

For what it’s worth, assuming you are referring to the BLM protests, you can’t assume that people who support BLM are demoncrays

[Buddytheelf85]

Instead of waffle, waffle, waffle, some Latin, piffle, piffle, piffle, some money bunged to chums, waffle, waffle.

But there’s the distant bugle of a scientific cavalry coming over the hill, braaaghgghhaha.

Anyway, no, she’s not the worst in history by any stretch. But she’s a woman so that’s why you’ve branded her the worst, and it’s also why you perceive her as speaking much for than she actually does. HTH.

[Strictly1]

@EvilPea

I don’t think she was our worst.
But I also don’t think she stood a chance, no one respected her.
I do think whoever it had been to take over after “I’m not sorting this mess out” cameron , was going to be a sacrificial lamb

This

[DfEisashambles]

I do think she’d have handled this pandemic better as pp said.

[jasjas1973]

Also Theresa May is a sanctimonious hypocrite. It was her who refused Asia Bibi and her family asylum in Britain when she was finally released from death row in Pakistan after years of torture, and still under threat of death from the pious Muslim majority

T.May denies this.
.....and of course May didn't operate in a bubble, Cameron could have overruled that sort of decision.

Thank goodness Bibi is now in Canada.

[RosesAndHellebores]

@NewspaperTaxis he's my MP too so you can't be far away from me. I can agree he was a poor minister and I'm tempted to break into a rendition of "we three ships" every time I see him but when we had tremendous issues securing MH care for dd he was marvellously helpful. So my experience is that he is a good constituency MP and I've heard from many people that he has helped them greatly.

[SabrinaThwaite]

Not enough “teh” (yet).

[MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes]

@Icanseegreenshoots

And just for the record I am not Carrie!! I like Boris, yes, but not that much

Claig reborn is my guess.

[IntermittentParps]

She would have understood the science and respected the scientists, for a start, being from a science background herself, and wouldn't have shied away from unpopular decisions like closing borders, cancelling sporting events or imposing a lockdown and left them until things got out of hand.
Totally agree about Thatcher.

And I think John Major was more sinned against than sinning.

I am not a Tory BTW

[Justanothernameonthepage]

Hah, I don't like her but out of the last 5 PM's she's probably the best. She stepped up after Cameron left the fiasco he caused, negotiated a better deal than the one Johnson managed, she had a better idea of the pitfalls and was relatively honest.
She was also dealing with Boris sulking and sniping and pettiness, he on the other hand gets rid of anyone who doesn't play along with his Churchill cosplay, is obviously out of his depth and since he doesn't actually understand what is happening, is unable to keep course. It's embarrassing.

[NewspaperTaxis]

[quote RosesAndHellebores]@NewspaperTaxis Grayling is no longer a minister.[/quote]
True, but his legacy of incompetence seems to live on in this Govt, in particular with Gavin Williamson who, like Grayling, is a former chief whip and so, knowing the dirty secrets on his fellow MPs. can't be sacked. Grayling was allowed to stand down as Transport Sec as Johnson assumed the lead and as the next poster points out, was meant to be head of the Intelligence and Ethics Cttee but got outmanoeuvred.

Grayling's legacy of having an affable smile on his face as he explains away his latest fiasco can also be seen in Matt 'laughing boy' Hancock and also care minister Helen Whately's car crash interview with Piers Morgan who asked her 'Why are you laughing?' as he talked about care home deaths. She's since largely been invisible and off the radar - another Grayling trait.

Grayling is my local MP and after three meetings with him over the course of a year about my mother's mistreatment in a care home and our harassment by Surrey's Social Services after I took home that to the local press, have first-hand experience re what a piece of work he really is.

He's still MP of course, and so all those so-called Social Workers? They're all still in post.

[LegoCaltrops]

Cameron, Thatcher, Johnson.

[Jaypreen]

until things got out of hand Do you believe that a global pandemic could ever be kept in hand?

[LakieLady]

@Clarich007

Still think Thatcher was the worst ever PM

I hated Thatcher with every fibre of my being, but I think she would have made a better fist of dealing with a pandemic than the current incumbent.

She would have understood the science and respected the scientists, for a start, being from a science background herself, and wouldn't have shied away from unpopular decisions like closing borders, cancelling sporting events or imposing a lockdown and left them until things got out of hand.

[LakieLady]

@ButterMeUpScotty

She makes a fair point with regards to international aid. I am far from a Tory lover but in my opinion her greatest fault was taking the job in the first place- she never could have succeeded in the role, I doubt anyone could have. Boris is hardly covering himself in glory, and Brexit is an absolute shit show- go shopping in NI and you’ll see it for yourself.

I agree that she's right about aid, but I'm not sure that anyone could have succeeded in the role, given the shitshow that is Brexit.

Johnson couldn't have done any better had he been in post at the time, imo.

But the person who should bear the most blame for matters Brexit-related is Cameron imo. Had he not promised a referendum, we wouldn't even be in this place. He put his party's need to neutralise the threat from UKIP above doing what was right for the country, and to put party above country is a dereliction of duty for any PM.

[SabrinaThwaite]

[quote RosesAndHellebores]@NewspaperTaxis Grayling is no longer a minister.[/quote]
And he couldn’t even manage to get himself voted in as Chair of the Intelligence and Security Committee in a rigged election 🤣

[RosesAndHellebores]

@NewspaperTaxis Grayling is no longer a minister.

[Jaypreen]

I disagree that May was perfectly reasonable in what she said.

Britain should cease foreign aid to Pakistan as a mater of urgency. It's pretty much a rogue state.

Also Theresa May is a sanctimonious hypocrite. It was her who refused Asia Bibi and her family asylum in Britain when she was finally released from death row in Pakistan after years of torture, and still under threat of death from the pious Muslim majority.

May should be asked about her views on the case every time she opens her mouth. Johnson wrote her a letter at the time urging her to grant asylum.

[user1497207191]

@NewspaperTaxis

I would say that if it weren't for Brexit, neither May nor Johnson would have had a chance of becoming PM. And both were/are disastrous.

I can see it both ways on Brexit, though I doubt anyone who voted for it would have realised we'd be stuck with not even the B team more the Conference side for the next decade or so. We're stuck with the Graylings, the Williamsons, Patels and slivey Gives.

I would say that if it weren't for Labour appointing Corbyn as their leader, then neither May nor Johnson would have had a chance!

[Peregrina]

Back last March people were obeying the rules. This was until Cummings thumbed two fingers at them and Johnson and cronies backed him to the hilt. There is not getting away from that. That destroyed public confidence.

Nor is the fact that he flip flops from one decision to another - we will open schools, we won't open schools just being the latest in a long line.

Last year's exam results were a disaster - how confident can we be that it won't be repeated this year? Not much. May would definitely have done a better job here - it would have been the sort of task she could get her teeth stuck into. Instead of waffle, waffle, waffle, some Latin, piffle, piffle, piffle, some money bunged to chums, waffle, waffle.