To have zero sympathy for the fishing industry?

[AgeLikeWine]

The U.K. fishing industry voted overwhelmingly for Brexit ; 92% voted Leave according to a poll from June 2016 (source : The Guardian).

Now they are bleating about the massive logistical and administrative problems and delays that they are encountering in trying to export their catch into EU markets. Today, fish transportation companies have been driving their lorries around central London to protest about the situation.

But this is what they voted for : to ‘take back control of our waters’. They voted Leave in the full knowledge that most of the U.K. catch was exported to Europe, and that that would obviously be more difficult after Brexit, so they should suck it up & stop whinging.

@Shrillharridan

But only other people where supposed to suffer!

We weren't supposed to suffer at all, any of us. That's what they promised!

Why are people turning on the farmers and fishermen instead of the treacherous liars who are sitting pretty, with fat bank accounts and watching in glee as the ordinary people tear each other apart?

Blame those who were really to blame!

I’m quite surprised at the thread. I didn’t realise so many understood what’s going on and what lies have been spread. I’ve been following the local fishing page and seen this pan out with a few people begging people to listen and see what was coming. None of it has been proved wrong. But die hard Brexit supporters have refused to hear it preferring a narrative that fits with what they want rather than the facts.

It is very sad and yes fishing is hard. It’s also an industry and community with a disconnection to other business life or even thinking outside of their own port. They are a strong community.

Wasn't it a Tory government under cameron that attempted
to prevent tarrifs being applied to cheap chinese steel ? In other words they enabled it to be dumped in Europe despite warnings that the european steel
industry was in crisis and 1000s of jobs were at risk....
They are absolutely duplicitous, why anyone would ever trust them.
The miners, now the fishing industry, doubt that wealthy landowning farmers will be treated the same but what's new ?

Sorry but it serves them right. Filthy business anyway so they get what’s coming to them. Same for cattle, sheep and chicken farmers hopefully. The world is better without these hideous industries. Be gone already. Let’s hope they all end and we can look forward to a better, cleaner, more humane and vegetarian future. Nor do I have any sympathy for any Brexiteer in any shape or form

fizzyanmo I think I love you a little bit!

Pointless.
They will never admit their complicity in their own downfall.
The facts were there for anyone who could he bothered to look.
But it turns out xenophobic jingoistic crap is more popular.

@Shrillharridan

nicky Aw. Diddums. The audacity of fisherman to think that anyone owes them a living, especially after voting en masse to leave their biggest trading area...imagine any other business sector spouting this shit!! oh - farming

Aye and what do you eat? We need the food producing industries. If we leave them at the whim of the markets and this tousle-haired moron continues to crash the economy we are fucked. We will not be able to afford imports. We will starve.

@Shrillharridan I have no idea where you live but I never heard language like that used in the brexit debate in Scotland (which does hold a large amount of the fishing industry)

I don't wish poverty or difficulties on anyone but a big difference with retail and industrial is that for some there is the option of furlough.
This doesn't exist for fishermen they are either self employed or held per trip. So yes they will suffer greatly.

For someone who has set up a food bank I am surprised, shocked and saddened at the attitude that losing income and being put into poverty is acceptable for anyone or you wish that on anyone which is what you are saying for whole communities.......

As for what I do I regularly contribute (each shop order I do) to our community larder system which doesn't require sign off to access the food and supplies and buy baby/childrens clothes and toys to be sent to a local children's charity which provides clothing for families struggling (they are unable to accept second hand due to covid)

Saw it on the news, wantbout if the EU, but still want to export fish to the EU, complain about EU on imports from non EU country, couldn't make it up.
Got what they wished for I'm afraid

@Tanith
When these corrupt people were trying to divide people, a huge number of people fell for it. Were these people adults or children? Did they have the right to vote and the responsibility that comes with it?

If fish cannot be sold abroad why isn't it sold in the UK?

Wrong fish. The fish we like to eat are mainly in European waters, the fish in our waters are popular in Europe.

That's a good basis for some sort of trading partnership- someone should suggest that.

Well, frankly, you haven't being paying attention then scottish
I was spat at once.
Just do a search on this forum for the brexit Arms and see what kind of names remainers were called.
Or check out past editions of the daily mail or telegraph...or, you know, just open your ears and listen.
After 4.5 years of it I'm done with these moronic fuckers. I'm just doing my best to mop up their mess.

That's a good basis for some sort of trading partnership- someone should suggest that.

The facts were there for anyone who could he bothered to look

There was also a hell of a lot of misinformation out there! Brexit bus, anyone? £350m for the NHS perhaps?

I have every sympathy for them actually, especially now they are being accused by our BodgeJob PM himself of Filling In Forms Wrong and Making Brexit Look Bad.

Trade is insanely complicated. These people were lied to. Yes, they were naive, yes they voted selfishly (but that applies to most of us). The punishment for being naive and selfish shouldn't be the loss of your business and the destruction of your community.

From the Guardian - ...a poll suggests...

Wow, because polls have never, ever, got anything wrong, have they? And even if true, their "vote" hardly changed the course of human history - even if you include fish processing, we are talking about less than 24,000 people. Approximately 0.036363636363636% of the UK population.

17,410,742 people voted to leave Europe. That means you only have 17,388,662 other people jobs to throw away away because they "deserve it". You'll need to hurry though - Boris is doing a lot of it for you.

Maybe don't make de idiots that will affect your lives, your children's and grandchildren lives based on what's written on the side of a bus????

Interestingly, the right wing media who spouted the worst of this shit is beginning to see which way the wind is blowing (clue: the wind smells like shit) so expect some unusual headlines in the coming weeks (and a tory leadership challenge)

@ListeningQuietly

2016 : Advisory vote based on lies

2017 : general election with borderline result

2019 : Get Brexit done election landslide

They won. Get over it.

I'm getting over it by laughing at the pitiful whinging that the fishermen are engaged in. Fucking schadenfreude is a beautiful thing

I wish it were as trivial as people just feeling superior. Unfortunately everyone has been screwed. It’s reasonable that people who never voted for this might be massively and enduringly pissed off.

Yes. Fishing is a hard job, no doubt about it, but fishing communities had access to the facts, just like the rest of us. Also, nobody has a God-given right to work in a certain industry regardless of economic reality.

Plenty of people have lost work and opportunities through something they didn’t vote for. On the whole I save my sympathy for them.

Wow My Husband has been a fisherman for 35 years. You haven't a damn clue you stupid woman !!! Time you actually have a conversation with the fishing community and your actually learn something.

(you're not going to win any friends calling people stupid, however i get that you're worried about your future. I got called a scab and a traitor when i took steps to secure mine, and my kids', futures. So pls forgive limited sympathy)
So, you presumably both voted for Brexit under the mistaken impression that it would be a boost for the fishing industry? Despite the fact that so much of the catch is sold to the EU? Despite the fact that of the quotas that were allocated to the UK, the massive (5 I think?) companies wo pretty much run British fishing decided to sell them off to other countries?

I find it very difficult to understand why an industry that is so precarious, with it's major market in Mainland Europe would have done something so daft as to vote to cut off that market. And anyone who tried to point out these things before hand was shouted down as Project Fear. Considering that companies like, I think, Debenhams contribute as much to the UK economy, why should anyone have sympathy for the fishing industry over Debenhams (am quite aware that it is possible to have sympathy for both sets of people.)

So what i would like to understand from members of the fishing industry, is what the thought process was. Because i can't, from the outside, work out what was going on there.

decisions even

But leavers are speshsul don't ya know.
Well, at least the independently wealthy architects of brexshit are anyway. They've made a nice little amount shorting the £

@Mistigri

I have every sympathy for them actually, especially now they are being accused by our BodgeJob PM himself of Filling In Forms Wrong and Making Brexit Look Bad.

Trade is insanely complicated. These people were lied to. Yes, they were naive, yes they voted selfishly (but that applies to most of us). The punishment for being naive and selfish shouldn't be the loss of your business and the destruction of your community.

Try telling that to the people who are under huge pressure in the financial or other sectors sourly hit by Brexit. I am not ready to feel sorry for people who fucked a lot of us and our children over for things they didn’t even understand about their own businesses. my concern is that this lot will fall for lies again and again because if they are expecting the remainders to mop up their mess. They are simply not trustworthy due to the kind of people they trusted.

Agree 100%

I voted for Remain. I have no-one in the fishing industry known to me.

However, the trade deal is not really taking back control. Very little extra fish in return for all the complex paperwork etc that has been required. They fell for one of Boris Johnson's many lies.

17,410,742 people voted to leave Europe. That means you only have 17,388,662 other people jobs to throw away away because they "deserve it". You'll need to hurry though - Boris is doing a lot of it for you.

This. There were many reasons people voted for Brexit- some were valid, many were based on lies.

It's not the fault of any one group of people that democracy is imperfect. If we want our democracy to be better we need to start by removing the worst PM in British history.

Nobody of any political persuasion should want to see that chimp in office for even more day. The blame lies with the Liar in Chief.