To have zero sympathy for the fishing industry?

[AgeLikeWine]

The U.K. fishing industry voted overwhelmingly for Brexit ; 92% voted Leave according to a poll from June 2016 (source : The Guardian).

Now they are bleating about the massive logistical and administrative problems and delays that they are encountering in trying to export their catch into EU markets. Today, fish transportation companies have been driving their lorries around central London to protest about the situation.

But this is what they voted for : to ‘take back control of our waters’. They voted Leave in the full knowledge that most of the U.K. catch was exported to Europe, and that that would obviously be more difficult after Brexit, so they should suck it up & stop whinging.

You take that type of gamble then you can end up losing badly.

Even the DUP haven't admitted Brexit was a mistake and they backed the wrong horse.

We shouldn't have destroyed our country on an advisory referendum either...

The DUP can kiss my wrinkly arse.
Arlene Foster is a criminal.

They'll might get more sympathy from me if they actually apologise for all the damage they've done to the country and the people who voted remain and our young people. I don't see any Leave voters doing that though.

Apologise and try to make amends.

We should have had a 60/40 vote threshold

Absolutely!

You cannot change the rules of your local sports club on a simple majority but the tories thought it a good idea to allow this on a once in lifetime, irreversible vote.

When voting on something that - let’s face it - hardly anyone fully understands, and all things being equal, it makes sense to vote the way more intelligent people suggest! Suppose I knew absolutely nothing about the EU. On one side of the debate are the huge majority of economists, politicians of all stripes, etc. On the other are Nigel fucking Farage and the bloke who runs Wetherspoons.

I’d have to be a bit thick to think ‘I don’t know anything about this issue, but I don’t like being told what to do by people who clearly know what they’re talking about, so because they have told me to vote Remain I’m going to vote Leave’.

Someone mentioned retraining.

uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-construction-house-building-brexit-covid19-exodus-skilled-workers-112326980.html

Numbers of European Union-born professionals working in the UK’s skilled construction and building trade dropped off by 46% in 2019.

That’s according to new research released by the Migration Observatory at the University of Oxford. In 2018, ONS data listed 208,000 EU-born construction professionals. This petered off to a total of 113,000 the following year.

Construction industry experts now warn that the exodus of skilled EU workers is the result of Brexit, as well as COVID-19, and requires immediate government attention to avoid staff shortages.

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so get back to Gove and the gang and I am sure they'll see you alright (Jack).

I voted YANBU but I wouldn't say zero sympathy. Just not much... its a shame they didn't consider the consequences of the vote. What did they think they would gain?

Totally agree OP. I appreciate the Leave campaign told a pack of lies, but plenty of us were able to see through them. If you work in the fishing industry, you should have a reasonable idea that a lot of the catch is exported to Europe, and so it doesn't take a genius to work out that Brexit will cause problems for the industry even if they hadn't been promised a land of unicorns and rainbows. So, anyone who voted for Brexit and is now suffering as a direct consequence of Brexit gets precisely zero sympathy from me. Anyone who voted for remain and is now suffering as a result of Brexit gets all my sympathy.

Actually the more I think about it the more I think the fishing industry (and farming) should be grovelling for forgiveness from those who voted remain not expecting sympathy (not that they are expecting sympathy, they're still too welded to Brexit for that).

Oh and to add to that, because of all the ridiculous fuss about the fishing industry Farage and co made and made it such a ridiculously emotive subject in the context of Brexit it was all given far more weight than it merited. So industries which contribute far far more to the economy have also been shafted in the name of taking back control of our waters etc etc when fishing is a tiny proportion of GDP. So so them (except of course any fisherman who voted remain). Same for agricultural communities which voted leave and were heavily reliant on EU subsidies.

@Kendodd

Actually the more I think about it the more I think the fishing industry (and farming) should be grovelling for forgiveness from those who voted remain not expecting sympathy (not that they are expecting sympathy, they're still too welded to Brexit for that).

They would have a far more effective bang for their buck if they did.

But they won't.

@DGRossetti unfortunately there aren't many large scale construction jobs or projects in small rural areas. There have been 2 in my area in 10years (flood works and a road) but the majority of the workers due to the contractor are shipped in from elsewhere.

I don't know what the solution is but wasteful rotting produce and then letting communities which are far from rich areas to start with just go jobless because of a vote isn't the answer either.

If it's allowed to continue then soon mumsnet will be complaining that the price of food has gone up as farmers and fisherman are out of work/businesses gone bust and then complaining about the rate of unemployment and number of people on benefits.

Surely it makes more sense to have some sympathy, support the communities and get the government to ensure that fishermen and farmers are not loosing thousands and doing compensation schemes like they said it would and then a long term sustainability rather then something taking decades to then show any sign of recovery.......

I prefer its resolved rather then plunging communities into hardship. Or am I in the minority of having some compassion to others regardless of a vote?!

@derxa I'm not disputing some people from fishing/ farmer communities go to university- living in rural Wales myself I'm well aware of that. But that's not the point: the point is that if these communities become more deprived through Brexit, more children will grow up in poverty and have worse outcomes which doesn't benefit anyone.

I don't care how 'educated' or 'non-educated' leave voters are- they allowed themselves to be conned, with far-reaching consequences for themselves and the rest of us.

My food shop has increased in price by 30% since 2016...
Another brexit bonus!

@Shrillharridan

My food shop has increased in price by 30% since 2016... Another brexit bonus!

Here you go www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp?title=2018®ion=150

What's your point?
Since 2106 the price of food had gone up in the UK.
I don't live in Switzerland

I've holidayed there many times though....and Austria.
Expensive food prices.
Not as expensive as Iceland though!

Well if 46% of construction workers have moved back home, then that works out perfectly, doesn't it?

We can have a home grown construction industry, those places can be filled by British workers looking for British jobs.

Let's see... A mucky job, out in all weathers, long hours, sometimes having to travel long distances... What soon to be decimated local industry does that remind you of?

I reckon if you asked Boris or JRM they wouldn't even see the issue, because after all this does fit into the Brexit ideology of getting rid of the forrins so British people can reclaim the jobs they didn't want to do in the first place.

Slightly off the topic but I have no shame in admitting that I laughed out loud at a leaver who was moaning about having to sort out a pet passport meaning it was going to be more difficult to take little scruffy dog on holiday abroad. I told them that they got what they wanted.

@Shrillharridan

What's your point? Since 2106 the price of food had gone up in the UK. I don't live in Switzerland

According to that website we were 6th highest according to cost of living. In 2020 we were 14th.

*According to that website we were 6th highest according to cost of living in 2016

@Shrillharridan

My food shop has increased in price by 30% since 2016... Another brexit bonus!

It will only increase further if there are large scale reductions in fishing and farming as they can no longer sustain a already very difficult job!

All the more reason to find solutions it's of benefit to all in the long run!

@TheGreatWave

Slightly off the topic but I have no shame in admitting that I laughed out loud at a leaver who was moaning about having to sort out a pet passport meaning it was going to be more difficult to take little scruffy dog on holiday abroad. I told them that they got what they wanted.

Every single whine about Brexit has uniquely in politics, a one-size fits all response that is factually correct.

It's what you voted for

If Brexiteers don't like being called stupid, they really need to start cheering and applauding every single development of Brexit. Because it looks spectacularly dim to agitate for something in a popular vote. Win that vote. Achieve your goal. And still whine like a brat.