To have zero sympathy for the fishing industry?

[AgeLikeWine]

The U.K. fishing industry voted overwhelmingly for Brexit ; 92% voted Leave according to a poll from June 2016 (source : The Guardian).

Now they are bleating about the massive logistical and administrative problems and delays that they are encountering in trying to export their catch into EU markets. Today, fish transportation companies have been driving their lorries around central London to protest about the situation.

But this is what they voted for : to ‘take back control of our waters’. They voted Leave in the full knowledge that most of the U.K. catch was exported to Europe, and that that would obviously be more difficult after Brexit, so they should suck it up & stop whinging.

Just because the above gentlemen hold their supporters in contempt doesn't negate the fact that many remainers are elitists. Pages and pages of bilge on here saying that people should take intelligence tests before they were allowed to vote.

Elitists who assume that it is other people who would be excluded by the restrictions they want (ignoring that history shows that you cant guarantee you will remain on the 'right' side of restrictions you introduce). So basically the same mentality the fishing industry is being accused of having in this thread (assume you will be find and other industries will be harmed). I hate this attitude! Calling people stupid is not going to win them other to your view point...

Ah, the usual suspects still banging the whatabout drum, eh? Even if Brexit turned out to be some sort of unimagined dystopian hell and we were eating one another in the streets (for the benefit of those who need it spelling out, I do not think that is what will happen), the same old people would be saying "but some remain supporters said UNKIND THINGS about leave supporters, lets talk about that instead".

Shrillharridan Tue 19-Jan-21 12:05:22

If farage appeals to you, you are a racist.

This. Or at the very least, you don't think it matters if racists come to power. Which can only mean, you don't think other races matter as much as you do. Which makes you...oh, what is that word again?

* Every time I saw someone trying to explain how Brexit would end up costing them, the response was "Project Fear!!!". So I have no time for fishy whah whahs now.*

^This with bells on. I got so tired of hearing that line from the Leave campaign. That and pro Remain campaigners being called ‘Remoaners’.

All in the name or reclaiming ‘sovereignty’.

If farage appeals to you, you are a racist

I agree.

@unmarkedbythat

Ah, the usual suspects still banging the whatabout drum, eh? Even if Brexit turned out to be some sort of unimagined dystopian hell and we were eating one another in the streets (for the benefit of those who need it spelling out, I do not think that is what will happen), the same old people would be saying "but some remain supporters said UNKIND THINGS about leave supporters, lets talk about that instead".

We absolutely should talk about remainders saying 'unkind' things about leave supporters because insulting people's intelligence and calling them names alienates them. A polarised society where people sling insults and the other side does not result in debate. There might have been waverers who would have voted remain if they werent being told they were too stupid to understand and should just vote how more intelligent peoole told them too (an attitude I did sadly see amongst remain supporting friends). We need to have a long hard look at how we engage with political debate in this country.

Just because the above gentlemen hold their supporters in contempt doesn't negate the fact that many remainers are elitists. Pages and pages of bilge on here saying that people should take intelligence tests before they were allowed to vote.

No one is saying you need to take an intelligence test to vote but what I think people forget is that voting is both a right and a responsibility. We are not children and these days we are fortunate to have access to a world of information at our fingertips.

Sadly a lot of people didn't take the time to research the issues before they voted or took their information from a single publication.

We saw this over and over as leavers were unable to explain the benefits of leaving past 'sovereignty' which we never lost and 'blue passports' which we didn't need to leave the EU to change or pie in the sky plans to train our own doctors overnight and agree the best trade deals around the world with our non-existent team of top negotiators.

The situation we are in is terribly sad and I am not unsympathetic but we are where we are and realistically the longer we plough on alone and friendless the worse it will get. Complaining will change nothing.

We remainers have been told repeatedly we need to get behind Brexit. Maybe, instead, it's time the leavers got behind the 'rejoin' campaign.

Lots of people voted leave as a protest vote at austerity and Cameron and Osborne who spearheaded that policy.
Such a shame they all decided to do that on an important once in a generation vote with far reaching implications for all of our society, eh?

I always though remain would have done better if they'd just put really basic information out
This is the EU
This is how MEPs are elected
This is what the single market is
This is what the customs union is
Even this is what the United Kingdom is

The leaflet Cameron sent out to every household pointed out all of the above.
People chose to ignore it as they knew better.

I can remember a cycling forum where a leaver said a large group of non medical people, given the relevant information, can make a better decision on whether someone needs heart surgery or not, than the actual heart surgeon!

Many brexitiers 100% agreed with him/her, the remain campaign could not argue with these people.

The info was easily available for the fishing community to read, their feeling was that they knew better too.

A polarised society where people sling insults and the other side does not result in debate

Luckily we didnt have that on mumsnet

Insults being thrown around by both ‘sides’ on here

There should be a prize for this elite who apparently patronised people with their expertise which is all now highly useful but ignored for 4 years.

I mean, people spend all their time listening to Boris Johnson and then experts are bad. Except for those COVID ones, and er, those trade people who are quite useful...

Trade is unbelievably complicated, and it’s on individuals if they really fell for this “easy to leave” rhetoric. They will feel it, not the elites...

@jasjas1973

I always though remain would have done better if they'd just put really basic information out This is the EU This is how MEPs are elected This is what the single market is This is what the customs union is Even this is what the United Kingdom is

The leaflet Cameron sent out to every household pointed out all of the above.
People chose to ignore it as they knew better.

I can remember a cycling forum where a leaver said a large group of non medical people, given the relevant information, can make a better decision on whether someone needs heart surgery or not, than the actual heart surgeon!

Many brexitiers 100% agreed with him/her, the remain campaign could not argue with these people.

The info was easily available for the fishing community to read, their feeling was that they knew better too.

As I said, its a cult. No arguing with that level of delusion.

Its all about the feelz now.
We live on a post truth society.

Pages and pages of bilge on here saying that people should take intelligence tests before they were allowed to vote

Well, thats true, if you want a vote on international trade, defence, scientific, education, tariffs etc etc then i think you should have a basic grasp on all of these subjects....

In a GE it doesn't matter, because you elect people who do have a grasp or have access to advisors who do, to make these decisions on your behalf.
You also get the chance to undo your vote 5 years later.......

@Shrillharridan

Its all about the feelz now. We live on a post truth society.

Just look at how some Trump supporters feel or believe? Facts are whatever they believe they are.

There might have been waverers who would have voted remain if they werent being told they were too stupid to understand and should just vote how more intelligent people told them too

I voted remain and this is exactly what I did though. I read for hundreds of hour (yes really) about Brexit and didn't even scratch the service of the amount of knowledge needed to make a properly informed decision on this. In the end I just looked at what side the experts were on (those more intelligent people) about 90% of whom supported remain, I'll just go with what they think. It's the same with climate change, wtf do I know about it? I'll just go with what the experts say.

If someone says you've made a stupid decision that you didn't understand.
So you take offence and become determined to keep voting for that same thing just because you don't like people pointing this out.
Well, that's pretty stupid isn't it?

And how come Leave voters never seem to take offence when Leave campaigns like Cummings and Banks make it very clear they think Leave voters are thick and say as much?

They are pretty clear they think leave voters are stupid.
They are on record as saying as much.
(Shakes head in wonder...)

These people are not wealthy. They cannot afford to lose all this money, many may lose their homes.

They were lied to, pure and simple. They were not alone were they? Over 50% of people supported it. Lots of them still do.

I live in a fishing town. Overhearing what the fishermen were saying pre the vote none of them had a clue that this would happen. If I had tried to tell them they wouldn't have listened. Brexit fitted in with their ideology so they voted for it.

They were fools but don't deserve to lose everything because we are run by a bunch of self serving cunts.

So they got their ideology and they don’t like it? Isn’t that what they deserve for keeping their minds closed?

Jesus wept.
They believe all the leaver bullshit but now it's affecting them they are bleating snout it.
I'll ask again...
How many fisherman and fishing towns were up in arms over the steel or mining towns being decimated?

Yeah.

Anyone who voted leave deserves everything they get.
Its their kids I feel sorry for.

Honestly, fuck leavers and what they think about anything. They are thick, they proved that not once but three times. So fuck them, I really don't care what shit they have coming to them.

We are going to turn into America.
The I’m alright jack, I want me myself and I to do well and if that means other industries or people are fucked then so be it.
Survival of the fittest

The problem is, with quite obvious evidence that their industry is not the fittest, they still thought they would come out on top.

You take that type of gamble then you can end up losing badly.

I voted remain and this is exactly what I did though. I read for hundreds of hour (yes really) about Brexit and didn't even scratch the service of the amount of knowledge needed to make a properly informed decision on this. I voted remain and hardly read a thing. Being able to export our goods easily.The process of disentangling ourselves from the EU was always going to be immensely painful. Being in a trading bloc with your near neighbours is a good thing. Cultural ties. Better choice of food etc.
We should have had a 60/40 vote threshold

YANBU.
I don't want to hear a word of complaint from anyone who voted for Brexit.
I realise I cant tell who did and who didnt and I'm hardly likely to shine a light in their eyes and force them to tell me 😁 but seriously, anyone who voted for Brexit then moans about things that are going to be crap because of Brexit need to stfu and just deal with it. People were told, over and over, about potential problems and it was all "project fear, scaremongering, liars, moaners, the entirety of Europe needs us more than we need them (🤣) we'll leave and we'll dictate the terms, I don't care what happens as long as no foreigners come in" and more bollocks like that.

Now waa-waaing because there are consequences to their voting choice that they don't like? Not interested at all.

We were all given the same information, both truths and lies. It's not like they got a special secret set of information that duped them in a way nobody else experienced.

It's going to be shit for all of us and we've just got to get on with it but sympathy? Nah.