To have zero sympathy for the fishing industry?

[AgeLikeWine]

The U.K. fishing industry voted overwhelmingly for Brexit ; 92% voted Leave according to a poll from June 2016 (source : The Guardian).

Now they are bleating about the massive logistical and administrative problems and delays that they are encountering in trying to export their catch into EU markets. Today, fish transportation companies have been driving their lorries around central London to protest about the situation.

But this is what they voted for : to ‘take back control of our waters’. They voted Leave in the full knowledge that most of the U.K. catch was exported to Europe, and that that would obviously be more difficult after Brexit, so they should suck it up & stop whinging.

yet again Brexshitters resorting to insults and name calling. Maybe , just maybe if you had listened to the many armchair warriors who are immensely well educated and have an understanding of the likely consequences you would have been able to foresee the consequences, my sympathy stops when you are willfully ignorant.
I didn't vote for Brexit. I'm very well educated. 'Immensely well educated'

I would like to see support for the fishing and farming industries. But with fishing- I'd like a close check on where the money is going. There were families who became extremely wealthy by selling fishing quotas and investing in supertrawlers.

I would also like to see support for other industries who have been hit by Brexit.

People made absolutely sure that wasnt going to happen when they voted in the wrong colour government in 2019, the market will decide if they have a viable industry left, the market wont give a fuck how sorry they are and how badly they need to feed their family, they also voted in the government that cares not a jot about families in poverty so theyll have that to look forward to

I didn't vote for Brexit. I'm very well educated. 'Immensely well educated'

Ive found people who find the need to tell you that often are the exact opposite

@derxa

yet again Brexshitters resorting to insults and name calling. Maybe , just maybe if you had listened to the many armchair warriors who are immensely well educated and have an understanding of the likely consequences you would have been able to foresee the consequences, my sympathy stops when you are willfully ignorant. I didn't vote for Brexit. I'm very well educated. 'Immensely well educated'

I don’t understand the psychic ability of some posters

Or the lack thereof

@JustAnotherPoster00

I didn't vote for Brexit. I'm very well educated. 'Immensely well educated'

Ive found people who find the need to tell you that often are the exact opposite

Its obviously in reply to the snide comment of eve

I doubt derxa plops from thread to thread chatting shit about her qualifications

I sympathise with them because they couldn't foresee the consequences of their vote. They are people who get off their arses and do a difficult job to feed people. Unlike the armchair warriors on here, permanently bleating but achieving nothing.

"bleating" "get off their arses" - we could be blaying Leaver-Drinking games here getting sloshed...

Anybody who was involved in ANY KIND OF EXPORT business in the last 40 years knows bloody well that the EU has been most excellent for anyone exporting to that trading bloc. Even down to my apprentice a few years ago when i was showing them the ropes for shipping our manufactured goods (from Poland) to Germany, France, UK and Turkey. Turkey was more complicated but not overly so because of an agreement about documentation with the EU. Less so when we shipped to other 3rd party countries (Russia, complete nightmare).

It's not even a matter that they didn't really know, because to give many many small businesses credit (larger businesses too) they spent the last couple of months desperately a) hoping for a deal that would do away with a lot of the paperwork and b) trying to get set up to be able to complete it.
The government doesn't appear to have done much beyond a few ads on TV and radio and a website that was quite difficult to understand if you had never exported outside the EU before.

And still. Here we are.

also good post from @corythatwas

@JustAnotherPoster00

I didn't vote for Brexit. I'm very well educated. 'Immensely well educated'

Ive found people who find the need to tell you that often are the exact opposite

Do you want me to list my qualifications?

"bleating" "get off their arses" - we could be blaying Leaver-Drinking games here getting sloshed... I'm a Remainer

I wonder how they'd vote if it was run again?
My bet is that they'd fall for the lies all over again and still vote Leave/Tory.

Also, let's not forget, these people knowingly voted to rip up an international peace treaty even after they'd seen the killing of Lyra Mckee and the birth of the New IRA (by voting to 'get Brexit done') I don't think they deserve sympathy.

I sympathise with the communities reliant on fishing and farming and therefore directly affected by all of this. Their lives are tough as it is and about to get a lot tougher. So- more children growing up in poverty and financial uncertainty and fewer opportunities for them.

However, I do believe in personal responsibility. All those fishermen/women and farmers who voted for Brexit need to take a hard look at themselves and admit that they made poor decisions, repeatedly, that are now having a profound impact on their own and other people's livelihoods for generations to come.

As a PP said, it's like these stories of fraudsters where it's hard to believe HOW anyone in their right mind could fall for their dodgy scheme.

What I would like to hear from the Brexit-voters who could not foresee how their industry would be hit is this:

Did you know that other industries would be hit, but you just didn't give a shit about those people?

Did you by any chance vote because you hoped to get people like me deported? Did you vote because you wanted to see fewer people with the skin colour of some of my family?

Obviously, not all will have sympathised with the latter. But if they supported Farage, they must have known that it was a large part of his message.

So when you (=random now-disappointed Brexit voter) ask me to sympathise- how much did you sympathise?

@Helocariad

I sympathise with the communities reliant on fishing and farming and therefore directly affected by all of this. Their lives are tough as it is and about to get a lot tougher. So- more children growing up in poverty and financial uncertainty and fewer opportunities for them.

However, I do believe in personal responsibility. All those fishermen/women and farmers who voted for Brexit need to take a hard look at themselves and admit that they made poor decisions, repeatedly, that are now having a profound impact on their own and other people's livelihoods for generations to come.

As a PP said, it's like these stories of fraudsters where it's hard to believe HOW anyone in their right mind could fall for their dodgy scheme.

I've said this often on here but if you have been a farmer then you often have skills that transfer easily to other areas. Farmers' offspring go to places called 'university' and 'college'.

I wonder how they'd vote if it was run again? My bet is that they'd fall for the lies all over again and still vote Leave/Tory. I would hope not. Surely the Remain campaign would have been a whole lot better. Run by those immensely well educated people mentioned up thread.

Have any of them actually come out and said voting Leave and Tory was a mistake though? I'll bet not. Have any of them joined a rejoin campaign or an anti Tory campaign? I would bet not, I bet they are still welded to Brexit and would defend their decision as the right one and was just implemented badly and I bet they'll blame the EU for this.

It doesn't matter what retainers say.
Like trumpism, leave.eu is a cult.
The fetishising of WW2 plucky Britain going it alone, nasty EU who do they think they are, Johnny foreigner coming over here thing our jobs...
Its all so depressingly predictable to any student of history.
Buckle up, folks.
Its gonna get bumpy.

remainers

I don't think any of them had a clue about the impact on the good friday
agreement, or even what the GFA was, let's be honest. My partner voted leave and lovely kind guy that he is, politics is not his strongest subject. He sees the world in very simplistic terms, certainly did not realise the degree to which we were entangled with the EU. He harks back to the certainties of the 70 and 80s, enjoyed life then. He's not racist but the populist stuff farage spouted really appealed to him, as it did many of his age and background (mid 50s).

Run by those immensely well educated people mentioned up thread.

I always though remain would have done better if they'd just put really basic information out.
This is the EU.
This is how MEPs are elected.
This is what the single market is.
This is what the customs union is.
Even this is what the United Kingdom is.
Its amazing how many people don't even know what the UK is and what Britain is never mind what the EU is. I think Dominic Cummings said remain lost because they over estimated the intelligence of the average voter and talked about the SM and CU when most MP even didn't have a clue what these things were.

@Kendodd

Run by those immensely well educated people mentioned up thread.

I always though remain would have done better if they'd just put really basic information out.
This is the EU.
This is how MEPs are elected.
This is what the single market is.
This is what the customs union is.
Even this is what the United Kingdom is.
Its amazing how many people don't even know what the UK is and what Britain is never mind what the EU is. I think Dominic Cummings said remain lost because they over estimated the intelligence of the average voter and talked about the SM and CU when most MP even didn't have a clue what these things were.

Totally agree.

If farage appeals to you, you are a racist.

It baffles me.
Farage, trump, Cummings- all hold their acolytes in such contempt.
Yet remainers are the elitists!
🙄

@Kendodd. Totally agree.

The Brexit campaign of 2016
was won by lies
and lost by arrogance

The General Election of 2017
was lost by arrogance
and won by apathy

The General Election of 2019
was won by lies
and lost by hubris

@Shrillharridan

It baffles me. Farage, trump, Cummings- all hold their acolytes in such contempt. Yet remainers are the elitists! 🙄

Just because the above gentlemen hold their supporters in contempt doesn't negate the fact that many remainers are elitists. Pages and pages of bilge on here saying that people should take intelligence tests before they were allowed to vote.

I’ve never understood why people who’s lives are decimated by neo liberal tories all vote for them.
And then say that the London liberal elite are all a patronising bunch of wankers

JRS - actually makes jokes about the poor and disenfranchised to their face and they still vote for him - he made a joke about happy British fish the other day!