To have zero sympathy for the fishing industry?

[AgeLikeWine]

The U.K. fishing industry voted overwhelmingly for Brexit ; 92% voted Leave according to a poll from June 2016 (source : The Guardian).

Now they are bleating about the massive logistical and administrative problems and delays that they are encountering in trying to export their catch into EU markets. Today, fish transportation companies have been driving their lorries around central London to protest about the situation.

But this is what they voted for : to ‘take back control of our waters’. They voted Leave in the full knowledge that most of the U.K. catch was exported to Europe, and that that would obviously be more difficult after Brexit, so they should suck it up & stop whinging.

I do have some sympathy. Depending on what part of the industry and who within it. Fishing towns are not areas that have received great investment and wealth and it is easy to see how they might feel 'liberal elitre' ignore them. And yes quotas were sold off in the 1990s but that is over 20 years ago now. There will be plenty of people in the industry who weren't involved in that decision but had to work with the consequences.

It is all very well saying they could educate themselves but frankly there was so much dross and propaganda and lies put out there it is hard put to make a reasoned decision.

I also think people have struggled to come to terms with the extent to which politicians have bare faced lied. Look at the musicians where the EU said the UK had turned down visa tree travel for tours. The UK politicians denied they had then admitted they actually turned it down. The absolute arrogance of their lies has been breathtaking and I wouldn't blame anyone for being caught out by that.

That said in the stories about people being shocked by Brexit impacts I would like to see them admitting they voted Brexit but hasn't realised this would be the impact.

Agelikewine

I understand where Derxa is coming from as she is a sheep farmer
BUT
I respectfully disagree with her.

Farmers and Fishermen assumed they would get a carve out
they should not have done.

Would you like to explain to us why you sympathise with an industry which is seeing its main export market destroyed by Brexit, which that industry overwhelmingly voted for?
I sympathise with them because they couldn't foresee the consequences of their vote. They are people who get off their arses and do a difficult job to feed people. Unlike the armchair warriors on here, permanently bleating but achieving nothing.

I sympathise with them because they couldn't foresee the consequences of their vote.
Three times?
And they were warned
again and again and again
but kept buying the Express

@ListeningQuietly

Agelikewine

I understand where Derxa is coming from as she is a sheep farmer
BUT
I respectfully disagree with her.

Farmers and Fishermen assumed they would get a carve out
they should not have done.

I didn't vote for Brexit. Not all farmers did. Most I spoke to thought it was a shit show.

They couldn't foresee that Brexit would mean more paperwork and red tape? Bullshit.

I don't want whole communities plunged into poverty. But the fact remains that fishing communities and farmers voted Brexit because they thought it would be other communities plunged into poverty while they personally benefitted financially.

Nobody ever doubted that Brexit would hit hard against retail staff, the car industry, and musicians. But that was fine, because it was other people. People who somehow seem to have less value.

And yes, before you ask- I have had family in the fishing industry and in farming. It's a hard life, and fishing also a dangerous one. It didn't mean other people's livelihoods didn't matter.

I would like to see support for the fishing and farming industries. But with fishing- I'd like a close check on where the money is going. There were families who became extremely wealthy by selling fishing quotas and investing in supertrawlers.

I would also like to see support for other industries who have been hit by Brexit.

Sorry, that should have been some fishermen and farmers. @Porcupinetherough is absolutely right.

Sorry again. @derxa was the person I should have apologised to.

There is a BREXIT section for this, why don't you post there?

I dont think there is any real evidence about how many voted to leave. Most are based in areas that voted to remain. I suspect there is a mix of leave/ remain just like most industries
Remember the fishing industry consists of fishermen, processors , hauliers etc

I don't think there is any real evidence about how many voted to leave.
There is MASSES of electoral data
and survey data
and news data
over the past 4 1/2 years
and THREE elections

People had a choice
they chose to elect as Prime minister a man who said Fuck Business

and were then surprised when he did

@derxa

Would you like to explain to us why you sympathise with an industry which is seeing its main export market destroyed by Brexit, which that industry overwhelmingly voted for? I sympathise with them because they couldn't foresee the consequences of their vote. They are people who get off their arses and do a difficult job to feed people. Unlike the armchair warriors on here, permanently bleating but achieving nothing.

Just because people don't get covered in shit and go fishing, doesn't diminish their contribution to the economy or their worth to society.

Anyone who could read in 2016 has no excuse for not realising the consequence of their vote.

Farmers down here voted Brexit, the fields & farm gates were full of red Leave posters, Cornwall was told time and again they would lose EU funding... to cries of "oh no we won't, Project Fear! F off Remoaners, go live in europe, Snowflakes, Suck it up! "

Now Cornwall will get, at most, 1/3rd of what it would have got.

@samanthawashington

There is a BREXIT section for this, why don't you post there?

Brexit is history, this a AIBU post about the consequences of telling your export market to fxxx off.

@SilverGlitterBaubles

If they didn't understand it in the referendum they then had two general elections that followed in 2017 & 2019 to pause and have a think about what might happen make but still they handed Johnson and the Torys whopping majority.

This with bells on.

Anyone who could read in 2016 has no excuse for not realising the consequence of their vote.

But read what?? Fake news and misinformation has become rife this last decade and a lot of people are not equipped to asses and analyse it all (and may not have time in labour intensive industries). We have also lost the early 20thcentury 'working class' evening education drive. These are major problems that need addressing (if it's not too late).

I am despairing and sad to see what is happening in the fishing industry now. Mostly angry at politicians though. And I also grew up in the north seeing what has happened to communities where the main industry was stripped away. If they have still not recovered in 40 years what hope do fishing town (Which often already have economic problems) have?

There is a BREXIT section for this, why don't you post there?

There's a relationship section as well, yet AIBU is full of "my partner is a dickhead" questions.

British exporters are predicted to face €28 billion in losses this year alone as a result of reduced EU demand and increased frictions and barriers at the EU border.

“There is so much complexity,” Adam Marshall, the director general of the British Chambers of Commerce, told Bloomberg. “It’s like an onion — the more you peel, the more you cry.”

The Banff and Buchan constituency (so includes Fraserburgh and Peterhead) voted Leave in 2016.

In both 2017 and 2019 Banff and Buchan voted for a Tory MP in the full knowledge that Tory Brexit policy was to to leave the CU and the SM which would result in inevitable non-tariff barriers.

Peterhead and Fraserburgh might not have realised the consequence of their vote in 2016, but they wholeheartedly voted for the hardest Brexit possible in the knowledge that they were erecting massive trade barriers for themselves.

The reality is that both farming and fishing are minor parts of our economy with business owners that voted overwhelmingly for brexit and for the current UK government. The appear to have been expecting special treatment despite this never openly being agrees by the government. As far as I am concerned they are at the back of the queue for help given that there are much larger parts of the economy affected that didn't have leaders that voted for this.

We need to remember that these people are business people who need to manage risks to their businesses and benefit from when they do it well. Conversely when they make bad decisions they feel the force of the free market and that is just life. Supporting brexit and this government was a bad business decision, no sympathy.

People who want discussions hidden normally don't want many people to be aware of the issues. Anyway there doesn't need to be a Brexit section as Brexit is over. This is just everyday life now

@derxa

Would you like to explain to us why you sympathise with an industry which is seeing its main export market destroyed by Brexit, which that industry overwhelmingly voted for? I sympathise with them because they couldn't foresee the consequences of their vote. They are people who get off their arses and do a difficult job to feed people. Unlike the armchair warriors on here, permanently bleating but achieving nothing.

yet again Brexshitters resorting to insults and name calling.

Maybe , just maybe if you had listened to the many armchair warriors who are immensely well educated and have an understanding of the likely consequences you would have been able to foresee the consequences, my sympathy stops when you are willfully ignorant.

@chomalungma

People who want discussions hidden normally don't want many people to be aware of the issues. Anyway there doesn't need to be a Brexit section as Brexit is over. This is just everyday life now

I agree

(And with the other posters who said similar 😀)

Oh look the free market capitalist neo liberal Tory party fucked over the mining industry....oh look the free market capitalist neo liberal Tory party fucked over the steel industry.....'surely they wont do that to us' -fishing industry

Breaking News Fishing Industry fucked over by free market capitalist neo liberal Tory Party

Bless their little cotton heads, thoughts and prayers, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

yet again Brexshitters resorting to insults and name calling

Oh behave eve .