A loaf and a block of cheese is not lunch for ten days THREAD 2

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A loaf and a block of cheese is not lunch for ten days ORIGINAL THREAD

Oh worm I dont do 'embarrassed' sorry. It's a chat firm I missed a comma after Gavin and 'so' should've been 'do'. Hope that clears things up for you. Sorry my spag gaffes have caused you such confusion.



And try again @GetOffYourHighHorse ? That's 3/10!

Hunger making you not able to concentrate again?

You have to question why they were providing boxes for £10.50 when the school can claim £18.50?

If they are open about the cost then one wonders if they were simply providing what was ordered by the school?

@cabbageking

You have to question why they were providing boxes for £10.50 when the school can claim £18.50?

If they are open about the cost then one wonders if they were simply providing what was ordered by the school?

They weren't open about the cost. They were outed.

I don't believe in this universe that a school would order that. I really don't. And if it was as cut and dried as that , the government wouldn't be falling over themselves to go back to the vouchers. They would be saying it was a school mistake.

Watch the reactions in parliament. They are all wriggling like crazy. As was Matt Hancock in his interview with Piers. They wouldn't do that if they thought they could blame the school.

If they are open about the cost then one wonders if they were simply providing what was ordered by the school?

Which makes you wonder why Chartwell have come out and apologised 🤔

mobile.twitter.com/morrisons/status/1324003491166126080?lang=en

Picture of the Morrisons fsm lunch box for £12.50 & now compare that to the Chartwell box.

@cabbageking
Just to point out it's not £18.50. It's £11.50 (£2.30pm) if it's only the FSM allowance, i.e. if provided via voucher scheme.
It's £15 if the school are providing a food box, i.e £11.50 FSM allowance plus an extra £3.50 they can claim from gov.

( www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-free-school-meals-guidance/covid-19-free-school-meals-guidance-for-schools )

Also most of the money will have already been paid to the catering companies pre term in order to secure service. If the schools/gov provide vouchers it costs everyone twice, i can 100% see why the first instance is to go with food boxes.

Are some people unaware that Labour haven't been in government since 2010, that's a decade ago?

They had established sure start and there was more support for families through tax credits. Both these things have been dismantled since.

The Conservatives make much of the fact that relative poverty levels have decreased. However since the financial crash wages have stagnated in the UK and this statistical feature is cynically used to obscure the fact that far more families are in dire situations, with far fewer support mechanisms. Universal credit is shite (technical term ) and any headteacher, vicar, social worker, GP, or person who can read a newspaper knows that there are an extraordinary amount of families now who are struggling.

When considering political point-scoring about children and food poverty, just don't go there.

The questions that matter are:

• Are too many children hungry? Yes
• Could this be solved? Yes
• Are there any other policy downsides to solving this? No
• Will it benefit society as well as the individuals? Yes Yes Yes in terms of health, education, cohesion, crime
• What's stopping us? Political choice

Some issues are morally so clear cut, if you're opposed to kids getting food or you make party political points, you're flat-out in the wrong.

@Clicketyclick21

mobile.twitter.com/morrisons/status/1324003491166126080?lang=en

Picture of the Morrisons fsm lunch box for £12.50 & now compare that to the Chartwell box.

Are you comparing the price or the contents? The Morrisons box is supposed to cover 7 days of breakfast, snacks and lunch, in which case I don't think it's any better than the Chartwells box for 5 lunches. In terms of price it's better value.

I have had a 15 voucher through this morning from school on email. Not the Edenred scheme as before bit still with choice of supermarkets.

Unexpected and unsure if its for this week or next week as previously they arrived on Monday for the week and I have had a small food parcel this week already. Very pleased if this is going to continue going fwd though.

My pack this week was 3 slices of bread which were already stale, cob, tin soup, tin beans, 2 spuds, 2 mini yoghurt, pear apple, 1 cheese triangle (1 triangle not 1 pack) and a small tin of tuna.

£15 voucher will enable me to provide a hot lunch each day for my 15yo. for which I'm very grateful having lost my business (pub)

Picture of the Morrisons fsm lunch box for £12.50

Why do Morrisons think it's a good idea to give every child a whole jar of strawberry jam every week with 44.6g of sugar per 100g?

Are you comparing the price or the contents? The Morrisons box is supposed to cover 7 days of breakfast, snacks and lunch, in which case I don't think it's any better than the Chartwells box for 5 lunches. In terms of price it's better value.

I think the reason for the comparison is because Morrisons are offering that box for the same price schools are paying Chartwells for a far inferior box. So why wouldn't schools choose the better box for the same price.

My biggest bug bear is a lot of people say "my taxes" etc. A high proportion of parents entitled to fsm and in poverty ARE working and paying taxes too. On the average salary of a WC family £150-£200 a month tax paid into the system, and told you're a scrounger, a bad parent, and ungrateful at the pennies you get back in these abhorrent parcels.
The ignorance baffles me. Imagine being so privileged that you begrudge a child a meal because the circumstances in your own life have worked out in such a way that you can't fathom the idea of a genuine need. I can't comprehend it.

Why do Morrisons think it's a good idea to give every child a whole jar of strawberry jam every week with 44.6g of sugar per 100g?

Oh God I know, toast and butter for breakfast is good enough, we shouldn’t be giving kids a bit of jam for their bread. Or having anything left over at the end of the week

@Clavinova agree with the sugar content in that box - it's very high.

@Jellycatspyjamas

Why do Morrisons think it's a good idea to give every child a whole jar of strawberry jam every week with 44.6g of sugar per 100g?

Oh God I know, toast and butter for breakfast is good enough, we shouldn’t be giving kids a bit of jam for their bread. Or having anything left over at the end of the week

For what it's worth I half agree, but frubes from chartwells baffles me more

Jam is a good source of vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients and fibre.

Jam is also pretty versatile, and won't go off. Even if its not in the fridge.
Jam on toast or crumpets. Jam sandwich. Stir some into some porridge. Add a spoonful to plain yogurt. If you have the other ingredients make a jam sponge pudding.
No its not the healthiest thing because of the sugar content, but I can see how useful it is.

Everything in moderation, however;

Jam has fallen foul of Public Health England’s drive to reduce children’s sugar consumption by 20% by 2020.

www.theguardian.com/food/shortcuts/2019/jan/29/jam-peanut-butter-sugary-conserve-health-protein-spreads

STOP giving your kids BREAD JAM.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/parenting/teen/stop-giving-your-kids-bread-jam/photostory/68198616.cms

Given that schools are supposed to be educating children, they probably don’t have lots of time to devote to comparing different food offerings from different suppliers to choose the one that offers the most value per £ or the lowest sugar content or whatever. They pick a supplier and then they tend to stick with them. Some weeks the supply might be better than others, but they probably won’t change as it’s probably extremely difficult to do that and they are spending g their time teaching as well as all the other follow up of vulnerable children.

I really dont think schools can be blamed for this.

God forbid kids should have a teaspoon of jam on their toast. What no gruel in the box?

@VinylDetective

God forbid kids should have a teaspoon of jam on their toast. What no gruel in the box?

Sugar is a luxury! How dare they!

@Clavinova

Picture of the Morrisons fsm lunch box for £12.50

Why do Morrisons think it's a good idea to give every child a whole jar of strawberry jam every week with 44.6g of sugar per 100g?

Because jam is a food? Not a poison?

Sugar is not only a luxury but as bad as crack cocaine according to MN.

@VinylDetective

Sugar is not only a luxury but as bad as crack cocaine according to MN.

Have you ventured over to the other FSM thread? That's even more of a treat

Because jam is a food? Not a poison?

But if Morrisons have the same contents in the box every week, that's a whole jar of jam per child, per week. Three children in the family have three jars of jam per week...