A loaf and a block of cheese is not lunch for ten days THREAD 2

[ZazieSheHer]

A loaf and a block of cheese is not lunch for ten days ORIGINAL THREAD

School and academies are free to investigate and choose their own food suppliers/ caterers.
They should be regularly checking the standard of the provision as routine.
This is the same with the packages. Schools agree and sign off on the contents of the packages.
Schools are responsible for the meals served in school, for trips and in the packages.

'well, Israel is doing better in vaccination rates. UK doing well in death rates, though. And testing may be pretty good now, but UK had a worse start than most'

Israel one of only a few country doing more. Let's look at Europe though and give credit where credit is due.
www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccination-europe-by-the-numbers/

Deaths per capita www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ we are 1245 per million, sadly similar to Italy and Spain. Much less than Belgium.

It is a dire situation, made much worse by the variant and poor compliance. I know many people working in the nhs but this constant 'the UK is crap and its all the Tories fault' is tedious and not actually accurate. Of course you're 'project managing' pointy 🙄.

With corporate bulk purchasing power, I’d say that this shabby offering should in reality cost £2-£3 ...
Under FOI I hope Chartwell are forced reveal their pricing / profit / what they charge the Govt ie taxpayer.

Under FOI I hope Chartwell are forced reveal their pricing / profit / what they charge the Govt ie taxpayer.

They sadly cannot be FOI'd - they aren't a public body?

'Schools are responsible for the meals served in school, for trips and in the packages.'

Exactly. Marcus & Co would have an actual point if the budget was 2 quid per dc per week and that was all that could be afforded but the fact is the budget was there and it had been mismanaged at the company's level, that is the actual problem! Sort it out schools and check your providers.

Why didn't the woman approach the school to complain in the first instance?

@GetOffYourHighHorse best death rate as well! 1594 tonight, England is doing just fabulous, vaccines and deaths!

Did you see the deaths on the news tonight? Or did you miss tonight's?

Why didn't the woman approach the school to complain in the first instance?

Parents have been complaining. A mother was interviewed on ITV news saying that while she's pleased that the government is intervening, why does it take a famous footballer to get involved to be heard, why didn't they just listen to parents in the first place?

Why couldn't they just continue giving parents vouchers?

Oh I dont know, highest testing in Europe www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and also the vaccine distribution for example is very successful. Best in Europe by a long shot. Have you not seen the news recently?

@GetOffYourHighHorse
This has to be one of the most embarrassing comments ever made on MN!

Have you not seen the news lately ?

Yes I have 1564 deaths today! And you're trying to applaud England??

@mel71

Why couldn't they just continue giving parents vouchers?

Probably not Dickensian enough.

I honestly can't believe I am reading that we should be thinking the government are one of the best in the world.

I can't comprehend this it would be funny if it wasn't so utterly ridiculous. Deluded doesn't cover it.

I really would love to live in some of your worlds. They sound lovely.

Why couldn't they just continue giving parents vouchers?

Because people claimed that parents spent it on alcohol and cigarettes.

@mel71

Why couldn't they just continue giving parents vouchers?

Because of myths stereotyped by the media that FSM parents are feckless and sell them to rip off their children. Unlike the company who...ripped off children.

[quote CrotchBurn]@inquietant
Your analogy is messed up. Pensioners dont choose old age, it happens to them. Parents choose to have children. Pensioners have nobody else legally responsible for them. Children are the legal responsibility of their parents.[/quote]
And children don’t choose to be born or to live in poverty

And no a cheese sandwich is not a sufficient lunch. Aside from the fact it has no fruit and veg I have a teenage boy, they need far more calories than that.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Everything about this government and COVID has been fail to plan, plan to fail.'

Oh I dont know, highest testing in Europe www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ and also the vaccine distribution for example is very successful. Best in Europe by a long shot. Have you not seen the news recently?

Highest death rate in Europe, more excess deaths at any time since 1940, the NHS on the brink of meltdown. If we’re not being selective about the news.

@TalesTheCat

Hahaha I'm crying 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

I've seen the vouchers that a local school issues for the main supermarket in its catchment. They specifically say (a bit like some 'loyalty' vouchers) that they cannot be used for tobacco, alcohol, lottery or petrol / diesel.

Seems simple enough. And sensible.

But vouchers aren't punitive enough for many. The very thought of alleviating poverty!!

Horse why in the world would you not believe me when I tell you what my job entails right now? I get that you're a big fan of this government and you think they're great, and you're entitled to feel that way, but why does that mean I'm not telling the truth about what I'm working on right now?

We need more COVID wards. Where I am, the acute hospitals are on their knees. Our biggest has no medical beds available today. All the others are either at Code Black or on the edge of it so yes, we're trying to step up to take these patients. And reinstating mothballed wards or converting clinic rooms takes a lot, including some project management.

You're very odd.

Tell me, are you opposed to the return to vouchers?

“Because people claimed that parents spent it on alcohol and cigarettes.”

As I understood it, they could be spent only on food.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'There wasn't any tendering because schools were asked to get the caterers they were already using to provide food for for the FSM children as the contracts for the term had already been paid.'

Yes I can't quite understand how this can possibly be 'the Tories' fault surely it is a failure at dare I say it, school level? The money was made available all they had to do was organise it and check the content. I know Teachers are busy but surely someone from the catering dep could have been responsible to check content?

Anyone would think Johnson had chosen the meagre supplies himself. That been said there has been lots of excitement on sm about 'feeding a family' for a week, no it is meant to provide 5 lunches for a dc. They should ask Tescos to send them meal deals. Cheaper.

Agreed.

Also anyone with a child in reception, yr 1 or yr 2 in an English school gets FSM so claiming that all FSM children are in poverty isn't true. I know plenty of parents who moved their kids from private schools to outstanding primary schools in yr 1, and they're definitely as far as you could be from being in poverty.

@DenisetheMenace

“Because people claimed that parents spent it on alcohol and cigarettes.”

As I understood it, they could be spent only on food.

They could but posters in the last thread said people sold them to other folk at a less price and bought alcohol.

@pointythings I think people dismissing and being flippant about the voices of people who actually work in the NHS (thank you x) and education while claiming that the government are doing a cracking job on the deaths are people who just can't be helped.

@Paquerette nonsensical argument. I invite you to meet some of the weans I and other posters who actually work in this sector know well and tell them it's OK because Sapphire down the road gets FSM allowance and her parents aren't in poverty.

'best death rate as well! 1594 tonight, England is doing just fabulous, vaccines and deaths!'

As I said you need to look at per capita for context www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (posted again as you must've missed it) similar per million to Spain and Italy. Less than Belgium. It isnt some kind of tragic contest but this is what a virus will do, kill people. Same thing happening in Labour run Wales.

Spain has recorded nearly 40k new cases, Germany 1000 deaths the last couple of days. It really isn't all evil Johnson's fault.

. I know plenty of parents who moved their kids from private schools to outstanding primary schools in yr 1, and they're definitely as far as you could be from being in poverty.

Do you really know plenty of parents that have done that? Like how many 5,10, 20?

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'best death rate as well! 1594 tonight, England is doing just fabulous, vaccines and deaths!'

As I said you need to look at per capita for context www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (posted again as you must've missed it) similar per million to Spain and Italy. Less than Belgium. It isnt some kind of tragic contest but this is what a virus will do, kill people. Same thing happening in Labour run Wales.

Spain has recorded nearly 40k new cases, Germany 1000 deaths the last couple of days. It really isn't all evil Johnson's fault.

You sound utterly, utterly clinical and heartless.

There will be people who have lost people and you are talking about 'best death rates' and 'thays what a virus will do' - not only completely tone deaf but also completely irrelevant to the thread.

We get it, you like the government. Let's not derail this into something it isn't.