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A loaf and a block of cheese is not lunch for ten days THREAD 2

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ZazieSheHer · 13/01/2021 04:37

A loaf and a block of cheese is not lunch for ten days ORIGINAL THREAD

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ineedaholidaynow · 13/01/2021 21:23

Did the Labour Party ever supply FSM during summer holidays?

Wheresmykimchi · 13/01/2021 21:26

@ineedaholidaynow

Did the Labour Party ever supply FSM during summer holidays?
This isn't about the holidays, it never was. It's about the fact the Tories voted not to feed them in the 'holidays' during a bloody pandemic when parents on the bones of their backside usually had even less. This is an unusual situation. Whether or not FSM should be given in holidays is a different debate. They voted no to FSM during a pandemic so anyone claiming they care about FSM not being up to scratch is deluded.
GetOffYourHighHorse · 13/01/2021 21:28

'I can't believe you're blaming the schools and councils'

Look, if for example, our school buses weren't road worthy or safe I'd blame the company and the school/council for not checking. I wouldn't say its all Gavin Williamson's fault for not personally checking the MOT certificate.

'But in all honesty anyone who thinks they are deserving of an apology after using a thread on child poverty to try and champion the Tories wouldn't be getting any apology from me.'

Not championing, balance and context. 2 words you may not be familiar with.

Wheresmykimchi · 13/01/2021 21:29

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'I can't believe you're blaming the schools and councils'

Look, if for example, our school buses weren't road worthy or safe I'd blame the company and the school/council for not checking. I wouldn't say its all Gavin Williamson's fault for not personally checking the MOT certificate.

'But in all honesty anyone who thinks they are deserving of an apology after using a thread on child poverty to try and champion the Tories wouldn't be getting any apology from me.'

Not championing, balance and context. 2 words you may not be familiar with.

No I've never seen those words before. What would I do without you to educate me.

Gavin Williamson didn't make the contract with the buses though , did he.

We all know why Chartwells was chosen.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 13/01/2021 21:31

No Gavin didn't correct. It was an example on how schools and councils should so their own quality control.

Wheresmykimchi · 13/01/2021 21:32

@GetOffYourHighHorse

No Gavin didn't correct. It was an example on how schools and councils should so their own quality control.
Too clever for me. I don't know about balance and context so I'm certainly not going to understand about quality control.

Do you think it was right to have voted against FSM? I can imagine I know the answer but I'm intrigued.

cabbageking · 13/01/2021 21:33

It is a requirement for Governors to challenge Heads and leaders to meet their obligations for food standards.

It clearly is up to schools to police the standard of all meals provided and they know this.

Many schools have provided good quality parcels beyond the requirements.

Bookworming · 13/01/2021 21:34

@GetOffYourHighHorse go to bed now, you're not even making sense!

No Gavin didn't correct. It was an example on how schools and councils should so their own quality control.

Just WTF does that mean?

It's like you've been expected to exist by being given scraps to eat and you can't concentrate because your stomach is empty and rumbling.

Also, as stated we all know why Chartwells were selected, good on the old boys system, it would never fail would it ?

ineedaholidaynow · 13/01/2021 21:36

Gavin Williamson didn't make the contract with Chartwells either.

If the Government and Chartwells are so in cahoots why aren't all schools using Chartwells

Bookworming · 13/01/2021 21:42

If the Government and Chartwells are so in cahoots why aren't all schools using Chartwells

Hmm 🤔 maybe the government were trying to not make it look totally obvious? Why don't bank robbers rob every bank on the high street and not just one. Why don't muggers mug everyone in the street and not just one?

It's difficult to understand isn't it?

GetOffYourHighHorse · 13/01/2021 21:44

'It clearly is up to schools to police the standard of all meals provided and they know this. Many schools have provided good quality parcels beyond the requirements.'

Exactly.

Worm did you really tell me to 'go to bed'. I know you're out of your depth with me but still..

Wheresmykimchi · 13/01/2021 21:47

@ineedaholidaynow

Gavin Williamson didn't make the contract with Chartwells either.

If the Government and Chartwells are so in cahoots why aren't all schools using Chartwells

Because some schools remembered the stuff they have served up before (evidence in other thread) and changed it.

Should they all have? Yes. Does that make it their fault? No.

Why are people so determined to blame parents , schools, councils? If this was an issue directly affecting the majority of people everyone would be up in arms.

Once again, it's the faceless nameless kids who suffer.

GetOff and other PPs can play semantics , word games and cleverly point out where the government has done (I'm not going to say well, done it's job). We all have different political leanings usually based on our own experiences. On the other thread which I hope people have actually read instead of jumping on here to play whataboutery with the Tories, there were many stories of the reality of this situation for so many families.

The thread is whether the food was sufficient. It isn't. It derailed slightly as it came to light about the Tory funder in the camp. But how we then got to what a great job they've done with covid is beyond me and it's a prime example of what happens.

Thousands of children living in poverty get a quick flash in the paper and then we are on to the next thing. This is a serious issue that we are seeing the reality of played out every day. I don't know very many people who work first hand with pupils in poverty (or indeed those who lived through the Thatcher times in the industries affected) and still think the Tories are decent in the same way I don't know many students who would vote for Lib Dems again. It's all relative.

But the core point is this. It doesn't actually matter who's to blame. The fact that a corrupt back handing crony scheme took place which literally stole from these families is unforgivable. Whether a should have done this or b should have done that or well we don't like FSM anyway is irrelevant. It happened.

The OP asked whether what was delivered was acceptable. The PPs in this thread have avoided that question because apart from a few who came out early doors goading , or those who in this day and age still can't understand that FSM is for many people their only meal a day (regardless of what Penelope down the road gets on FSM). But the vast majority of people can't defend it. So they do what the government do. Cover , and muddy the waters , and deflect.

The victims here are the children and the government have a part in that.

Bookworming · 13/01/2021 21:49

I did @GetOffYourHighHorse because your post made no sense, it was getting embarrassing (for you and not me). I thought I'd save you from yourself.

I've noticed over the evening how incoherent your posts have become, but this one

No Gavin didn't correct. It was an example on how schools and councils should so their own quality control.

Was the piste de resistance and whilst very amusing to me, I would imagine reading back on such nonsense tomorrow may be embarrassing for you.

Don't think I'm not a match for you.

cabbageking · 13/01/2021 21:49

Schools need to evidence their decisions and a decision to select Chartwells or any other caterer would be in their Finance Minutes, laying out what other providers were considered and why the actual decision was made.

If you have an issue with the school request their minutes which are a pupil record and find out how the decision was made along with the declaration of interests.

Wheresmykimchi · 13/01/2021 21:50

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'It clearly is up to schools to police the standard of all meals provided and they know this. Many schools have provided good quality parcels beyond the requirements.'

Exactly.

Worm did you really tell me to 'go to bed'. I know you're out of your depth with me but still..

I don't agree with her statement but your comments to people who you clearly believe are beneath you aren't much better and I don't think you're coming across how you think you are.

I'm not the most educated person in the planet like you. But I see child poverty first hand every day and while I wouldn't like to assume , I have a feeling that if you did you wouldn't make the kind of flippant comments you do. Different people come from different backgrounds and have different views based on their life experience and you are no better than anyone else on here regardless of how intelligent you think you are. These are real children , not light fodder to have a good spar over and a chuckle at those stupid posters you think you are better than.
Incidentally I don't actually know your views regarding the actual issue because you haven't said them.

cabbageking · 13/01/2021 21:50

public not pupil, dang

ineedaholidaynow · 13/01/2021 21:52

@Bookworming I think you have embarrassed yourself by claiming that the Government made some schools not choose Chartwells to not make it obvious they were in cahoots.

cabbageking · 13/01/2021 21:53

Children deserve to be fed, no ifs or buts.

If schools have sent out poor packages they are at fault.

They receive £18.50 per child and can afford to offer beyond the £15 even accounting for packing.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 13/01/2021 21:54

'But I see child poverty first hand every day and while I wouldn't like to assume , I have a feeling that if you did you wouldn't make the kind of flippant comments you do. '

For the trillionth time the funds were there. The checking of the content, sadly, was not.

Wheresmykimchi · 13/01/2021 21:54

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'But I see child poverty first hand every day and while I wouldn't like to assume , I have a feeling that if you did you wouldn't make the kind of flippant comments you do. '

For the trillionth time the funds were there. The checking of the content, sadly, was not.

For someone who talks about context , there is zero connection to the bit you've quoted and your response. Zero.
Bookworming · 13/01/2021 21:56

I think you have embarrassed yourself by claiming that the Government made some schools not choose Chartwells to not make it obvious they were in cahoots.

Not at all embarrassed @GetOffYourHighHorse are you saying it's just a coincidence they were chosen for a lot of schools? Really. The fact they are in cahoots with the government?

Why are you excusing them ever sending out inadequate provisions, why are you saying it's ok now as they are sorting it. Why did it take a brave parent and a footballer to sort, are they not able to look at what they agreed to provide and what they did provide and see the discrepancies?

GetOffYourHighHorse · 13/01/2021 21:59

You're incorrectly quoting me now worm. Will you and kimshi please keep up.

Bookworming · 13/01/2021 21:59

Why was the checking of the content not there @GetOffYourHighHorse, what happened to the additional funds that were given for the content and then was not used?

So they had the funds, didn't provide the content, so they've got excess funds? Whose pocket are they in? 🤔

Wheresmykimchi · 13/01/2021 21:59

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'But I see child poverty first hand every day and while I wouldn't like to assume , I have a feeling that if you did you wouldn't make the kind of flippant comments you do. '

For the trillionth time the funds were there. The checking of the content, sadly, was not.

Regardless, IF that's true (it isn't ) why the u turn? If the school not checking is the issue (it isn't ) why go back to vouchers? Because the bloody company was outed for pocketing the money and providing absolute shite!
Wheresmykimchi · 13/01/2021 22:01

@GetOffYourHighHorse

You're incorrectly quoting me now worm. Will you and kimshi please keep up.
Im still awaiting your response to my post. It's not I who can't keep up.

She didn't incorrectly quote you. You missed a comma out before correct which meant out of context she didn't understand it. I didn't point out your lack of comma (or the fact each and every time you use my name in interactions that are nothing to do with me) you spell it wrong , because I'm not a stuck up, arrogant pretentious poster who thinks I'm better than everyone else and I live in the real world.

You know, the one where kids are starving while you're making clever comments on the internet.

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