To think closing nurseries would be disastrous?

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I'm seeing it discussed left right and centre, my post was prompted by television this morning.

For many reasons (none selfish) I think it would be disastrous, but the one that stands out to me the most is people's ability to work.

I'm sure there will be plenty of nurses/HCP's/important key workers who rely on nursery to be able to do their jobs.

Not everybody has family that can step in.

Older primary aged children and secondary age children can fend for themselves to a degree if push came to shove, but you can't do the same with toddlers and babies.

You comprehend don't you that many people cannot afford to just give up work 😂 Imagine.

We lived on savings during thr first lockdown as both DH and I reduced our hours at work to look after DC5 and DC2. We've now ran down our savings, if we reduce.our incomes by 50% again we'll have to sell our car, default on our mortgage, and my DHs business will be wrecked, he went self employed 2yrs ago and has fought so hard to build his client base during the past year. We are stuck between a rock and a hard place

@GypsyLee I wish I lived on your planet where I personally could be so flimsy in my commitment to work and not worry about job security, even though as you say, lots of jobs will go.

I also think you're being pretty bloody rude to a lot of parents juggling a lot of things. I doubt many would put career before children, but probably would and are trying to strike a balance between caring for children and working to put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads.

But don't worry, you carry on in cloud cuckoo land.

It’s not being realistic, because it’s unrelated to reality. Reality is nurseries are still open and parents can send their children there and continue to work. Sorry to compound your envy and lack of fulfilment.

[quote Lochroy]@GypsyLee I wish I lived on your planet where I personally could be so flimsy in my commitment to work and not worry about job security, even though as you say, lots of jobs will go.

I also think you're being pretty bloody rude to a lot of parents juggling a lot of things. I doubt many would put career before children, but probably would and are trying to strike a balance between caring for children and working to put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads.

But don't worry, you carry on in cloud cuckoo land. [/quote]
Did you miss the bit where I said some people need to work to survive?
Wheras others it's a lifestyle choice.
I don't think lifestyle choice and careers are more important than lives, wanting to protect the NHS and those who are vulnerable to covid and perhaps death is cloud cuckoo land. Wow, we do have an entitled generation.

Don’t worry about GypsyLee, I’ve seen her on SAHM threads advocating that all women should stay at home to raise their kids instead of WOH. She’s not a friend to working women.

There’s one or two posters that take an extreme position re women who work. In particular if they have a career. Actually maybe it’s just one poster with a name change.

@Tellmetruth4

Don’t worry about GypsyLee, I’ve seen her on SAHM threads advocating that all women should stay at home to raise their kids instead of WOH. She’s not a friend to working women.

Liar, you've not seen anything of the sort. That's obviously what you think. I strongly believe there would be half the problems if men did their parenting roles and their fare share. Mine always has and continues too, couldn't be with a man who didn't see my life as equal to his.

It's pretty disastrous closing schools on many, many levels, but oh look, here we are.

@GypsyLee

1. It's far less entitled to want to pay your own way than rely on someone else to earn and live off them
2. It's fair share not fare share

Nah, entitled is expecting someone else to put their life at risk so you don't have to look after your own kids, during a pandemic.

Thanks for the English lesson.
I do know the difference but often make mistakes, I do with there and their too, although I know the difference.

Nurseries will close for good then. You can’t run then will a lower capacity. Parents won’t pay for childcare they aren’t getting and neither should they have to. At least with schools govt can argue they get provision (eg education) but child minders and nursery are primarily care and not education.

@HOS8595 that is pretty harsh. It is a million times easier and safer to cope with a school age child at home than a toddler.

@GypsyLee

Nah, entitled is expecting someone else to put their life at risk so you don't have to look after your own kids, during a pandemic.

Thanks for the English lesson.
I do know the difference but often make mistakes, I do with there and their too, although I know the difference.

So you would be okay with very few hospital staff if you got sick/injured, having very few hours to buy food and periods of time where elderly or vulnerable people are alone? After all the people who do those jobs should be at home looking after their children.

They did it last year & we managed. Not saying it wasn’t tough but we survived. It’s not ideal but if needs must 🤷🏻‍♀️

All kids should be in school or nursery. The November lockdown with schools open should have started earlier and not stopped. Then we wouldn't be sacrificing the kids again. It's all such bullshit.

It's a long time since any of my children was nursery aged. Even then, I didn't use nurseries as I was a SAHM.

So I have absolutely no vested interest in nurseries. I still think that shutting them would be a catastrophic move which would shaft even more women than have already been shafted by all the lockdown measures.

What's more, it would be pretty suicidal for the NHS, as there will be no money left to fund it once this is all over. I think it will be the start of it being comprehensively dismantled, and a move towards a 'pay per service' system, Not that I'm in favour of this - but so many people have now been taken out of the tax system that there is simply not going to be any money left (unless we go down the Weimar Germany route, which would also be pretty suicidal).

@TheFaceProject

Hospitals will actually be under more pressure with nurseries closed as many staff rely on nurseries that will not be open even for key worker children.

YANBU

Its a silly argument - "my child is young so I need a place" what about people who have 3 primary kids at home in a 1 bed flat. Its not a suffering competition. its shitty for all of us. But it has to be done.

@Kissthepastrychef

It would result in grandparents being drafted in because you can't safely work from home and look after a child under 4

They're looking at scrapping childcare and support bubbles too. They clearly think we all have live-in servants

can I ask where you got this from as it was categorically denied yesterday

They did it last year & we managed. Not saying it wasn’t tough but we survived. It’s not ideal but if needs must

When you say ‘we’ survived, who do you mean? Do you mean survived? Because the March lockdown had lots of unwanted consequences. Many nurseries went out of business. A million people lost their jobs. There was a spike in non-Covid deaths. So yes, you survived. I survived. Other people on this thread survived. That doesn’t mean it didn’t have consequences.

@Buddytheelf85

They did it last year & we managed. Not saying it wasn’t tough but we survived. It’s not ideal but if needs must

When you say ‘we’ survived, who do you mean? Do you mean survived? Because the March lockdown had lots of unwanted consequences. Many nurseries went out of business. A million people lost their jobs. There was a spike in non-Covid deaths. So yes, you survived. I survived. Other people on this thread survived. That doesn’t mean it didn’t have consequences.

Well said.

@pommedeterre

All kids should be in school or nursery. The November lockdown with schools open should have started earlier and not stopped. Then we wouldn't be sacrificing the kids again. It's all such bullshit.

And this.

Still open to Key workers and vulnerable children in Scotland 😊

I don’t know why so many are comparing it to schools and key worker places.
For a start a lot of nurseries are privately owned which means that it is not financially possible to just open for key workers, due to child/staff ratio guidelines for that age group. Which means they will still have high out goings as will need to still pay a lot more staff. The cost to stay open when not full could mean they are out of pocket. This is why in the first lockdown some nurseries were asking for partial payment to keep places.
I doubt this time round parents would be so understanding. So it’s not only parent that may lose the jobs but a will hugely impact childcare job sector.
Also as nurseries tend to stay open 3 hours later then schools it is normally used as the main childcare option for many as covers full working day.

Personally I think more needs to be done to help working parents I can only imagine impact lockdown is having in terms of being forced to leave jobs or discrimination.

There are too many workplaces open. Far more than we’re open last March. People are being forced to go into work.