On our way to Biden's Inauguration (Trump #119)

[Roussette]

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Here we are on our fast moving theads

Social media seems to be awash with videos of MAGA supporters who attended DC getting some unwanted attention (removed from planes, told they cannot fly etc).

It's a start:

twitter.com/i/status/1348535446880583680

This will upset him more than people losing their lives

CNN
The 2022 PGA Championship will not be played at Trump National Golf Club Bedminster in New Jersey, according to an announcement from PGA of America President Jim Richerson

www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-protests-washington-guard-military/2021/01/07/c5299b56-510e-11eb-b2e8-3339e73d9da2_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

www.npr.org/2021/01/10/955314373/d-c-s-acting-u-s-attorney-calls-scope-of-capitol-investigation-unprecedented?utm_term=nprnews&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr

Things you can do personally, online gaming is a huge recruiting tool for the far right. They start with the faux irony racism 'jokes' and reel them in. Keep an eye on what your kids are saying on there.

🇺🇸🇩🇪 “Trump’s army: Fired. Hurt. Dangerous. How a President became the leader of a putsch.”

New cover of Germany’s Der Spiegel

Re: Terry Bouton, @Roussette - I was going to mention that discussion about the distinction between "participants" and "observers", but though he clearly is not a journalist, and not an observer in that capacity, I think he could be called a "reporter", and therefore not a participant, perhaps?

Overall, difficult though it is, I think I am leaning to the side of those who are saying Trump needs to be incised now rather than taking the softly softly approach. Although if that happens before Biden's inauguration, the police, Feds, military, those in power and actually wielding that power "on the side of right" will need to be prepared for civil war activities from the right. But that may well happen anyway, so perhaps best to do it with Trump out of the picture as president? (Sorry if that doesn't make sense. I know what I mean, though that doesn't help anyone reading it!)

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/chris-krebs-warning-donald-trump-violence_n_5ff95f5dc5b6c77d85e6e8a1?ri18n=true

'Chris Krebs, the fired former chief of U.S. cybersecurity, warned Friday there will be more bloodshed from supporters of President Donald Trump in the run-up to President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration on Jan. 20.

Krebs told CNN’s Don Lemon there had been no question in his mind that violence would erupt on Wednesday, when a mob of pro-Trump rioters — incited by the president and his allies ― stormed the U.S. Capitol in disgraceful scenes that shocked the world.'

@DuncinToffee

🇺🇸🇩🇪 “Trump’s army: Fired. Hurt. Dangerous. How a President became the leader of a putsch.”

New cover of Germany’s Der Spiegel

putsch is a loaded word for Germans too ..

Let's hope Biden is no putsch-over. (Sorry.)

Putsch to me means "sudden attempt by any group to overthrow a legitimate government."

The legitimate government of the USA is that of Joe Biden, and has been since the electors were confirmed back in mid-December.

So I'd say that yes, Der Spiegel has it exactly right.

Also that it is time for a bit less faffing about between election and confirmation! More than two months of someone who has nothing to lose also being the most powerful man in the world (well, possibly the most powerful man in the world) is too long.

@Jaichangecentfoisdenom

Let's hope Biden is no putsch-over. (Sorry.)

Reported.

@user1471565182

Things you can do personally, online gaming is a huge recruiting tool for the far right. They start with the faux irony racism 'jokes' and reel them in. Keep an eye on what your kids are saying on there.

Yeah, I'm fortunate not to have encountered the worst type of comments and 'jokes but I'm more than happy to report players for in game comments. Tough you are then dependant on how seriously the company takes reports - back to conversations about the role of tech companies in the spread of hate etc!

I have done quite a bit of calling out of the 'teenagers do stupid things' excuse for older teens sexually harrasing people online...

There does seem to be an utterly infuriating viewpoint that I see in some gaming circles (and it's probably in other communities!) that if you call out a company/prominent individual for not doing x or for supporting y, you get told you can't possibly complain about that if you are not also complaining about all the other things they are/aren't doing. I've seen influential figures in the scene with an actual following and voice that can make a difference become reluctant to take a public stand on an issue like racism because they get piled on for not doing more (ie: not also actively taking on sexism, unethical sponsor companies, Chinese influence etc at the same time). Or they get told they are doing it for their profile not because they care, but then if they tryband make change behind the scenes they get told they should be doing more (ad infinitum). Makes me glad I don't actually have a publically influential profile!

Jai yes... he calls himself a historian but obviously people are a bit touchy about all of this, me included. What's to say that it's not a line of defence to call yourself an observer who was there just to catalogue an attempted coup because the Police have come knocking at your door.

I agree. I think the boil needs to be lanced as far as Trump because it's all about the message isn't it. He can't be allowed to get away with what he did. Every single new piece of footage I see just seems to be worse than the last. New stuff is coming out all the time.

Thats the line of defence one of the state level elected Republican politicians us using isn't it? In was just there posting videos to document... I've also got the impression that journalists and international observers have actual codes around what they do/dont do if they are observing a situation (is that right?) Which a self appointed observer probably doesn't.

(Though as a history enthusiast I can see the value in first-hand accounts but that doesn't mean they should be used to allow you to get away with illegal activity)

When I studied history - 20th Century - you had to learn quite a few foreign words. Putsch was one (Munich, beer hall etc).

Lebensraum,
Autarky,
Untermensch,
Wermacht,
Reich, Volk, Fuhrer ..
Anschluss,
Nacht und Nebel,
as Arnie said, Kristallnacht

etc etc

we also learned Russian and Chinese words. And I had my DF for the Italian words

If you want a glimpse into your fellow citizen it's an interesting exercise to see how many people who lived through the 80s (or claim to have) can still remember Glasnost, if not the twin pairing of "Glasnost" and "Perestroika" ? Plus what they mean. These days I find it's a "You what ?" even from people my age. Does make you wonder.

Even in 2020 we had another foreign political phrase emerge: Gilets Jaunes

I am very pleased about the PGA. I suspect Trump will be more upset by that than by any attempt to impeach him.

I wonder when it will occur to them all that there might be a negative effect on their businesses. I don't think Ivanka is completely stupid, so I suspect she is aware, but because of her inlaws may think it can be ignored. Don Jr, obviously, is thick as mince

Terry Bouton doesn't appear to have been inside the Capitol building so I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt that he is observing. I think anyone who actually entered the building without an official press pass shouldn't be allowed to use "I was just observing" as an excuse.

Feck, I'm stupid. I just had not made that connection. Sorry.
"Jai yes... he calls himself a historian but obviously people are a bit touchy about all of this, me included. What's to say that it's not a line of defence to call yourself an observer who was there just to catalogue an attempted coup because the Police have come knocking at your door."

I wonder how much cachet there will be in paying the enormously inflated membership fee for Mar-a-Lago when Trump is disgraced. Or how many people will turn up if he has the gall (or the liberty) to hold a New Year party there in 2021-2.

I am not suggesting a boycott, heaven forfend, just speculating on how far his "brand" will now start to be something to avoid.

(Talk about a lack of critical thinking on my part.)

@DGRossetti

When I studied history - 20th Century - you had to learn quite a few foreign words. Putsch was one (Munich, beer hall etc).

Lebensraum,
Autarky,
Untermensch,
Wermacht,
Reich, Volk, Fuhrer ..
Anschluss,
Nacht und Nebel,
as Arnie said, Kristallnacht

etc etc

we also learned Russian and Chinese words. And I had my DF for the Italian words

If you want a glimpse into your fellow citizen it's an interesting exercise to see how many people who lived through the 80s (or claim to have) can still remember Glasnost, if not the twin pairing of "Glasnost" and "Perestroika" ? Plus what they mean. These days I find it's a "You what ?" even from people my age. Does make you wonder.

Even in 2020 we had another foreign political phrase emerge: Gilets Jaunes

People forget and move on scarily fast. I see it with the anti-vax movement too. People in western countries increasingly have no direct experience of measles and polio epidemics that killed their family members and friends so they don't fear the disease and can make comments about how people survived in the past without vaccines.

For several decades a lot of people around the world had a very real fear of the far right and of large scale war. But I feel that the further we go into the 21st century the more that fear seems to be subsiding (a mix of lack of direct experience and conplacency). I think I've read similar about younger generations and nostalgia for the USSR despite never having lived in it.

People forget and move on scarily fast. I see it with the anti-vax movement too. People in western countries increasingly have no direct experience of measles and polio epidemics that killed their family members and friends so they don't fear the disease and can make comments about how people survived in the past without vaccines.

Well, there is a slightly Darwinist aspect to all this. Thick peoples kids will die and we will thin out any genetic tendency towards low energy critical thinking.

I still wonder how much of our current situation is connected to the fact that in the 20th century we managed to cull the best and brightest men of a generation ? Not once. But twice in 30 years. Leaving us with either the thick or the cowardly to lead us into a brave future.

@DGRossetti

When I studied history - 20th Century - you had to learn quite a few foreign words. Putsch was one (Munich, beer hall etc).

Lebensraum,
Autarky,
Untermensch,
Wermacht,
Reich, Volk, Fuhrer ..
Anschluss,
Nacht und Nebel,
as Arnie said, Kristallnacht

etc etc

we also learned Russian and Chinese words. And I had my DF for the Italian words

If you want a glimpse into your fellow citizen it's an interesting exercise to see how many people who lived through the 80s (or claim to have) can still remember Glasnost, if not the twin pairing of "Glasnost" and "Perestroika" ? Plus what they mean. These days I find it's a "You what ?" even from people my age. Does make you wonder.

Even in 2020 we had another foreign political phrase emerge: Gilets Jaunes

I was born in the 70's in the Netherlands so yes we learned about that. My DD is doing GCSE history and is quite impressed by my (imo limited) knowledge about WW2 and the Cold War