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On our way to Biden's Inauguration (Trump #119)

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Roussette · 09/01/2021 11:21

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4128420-Capitol-Hill-and-the-next-2-weeks-Trump-118?watched=1&msgid=103459695#103459695

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Sleipnirthewonderhorse · 10/01/2021 07:47

Batshit
nyegop.org/2021/01/08/a-letter-from-the-chairman/?v=7516fd43adaa

SunniCameHomeWithAVengeance · 10/01/2021 07:48

Posted too soon.
Shes been very noticeably missing is all I was pointing out. I think we all know Ivanka was the real FLOTUS.

Roussette · 10/01/2021 07:51

Is it not shocking that Trump has not spoken to Pence since all this happened? He may have well lost his life, Trump's supporters were baying for his blood.
Yet Trump has made no contact or made a statement. Imagine if this was Biden and Harris...

It's taken this for Pence to realise it didn't matter how loyal he was to Trump, how much he did for him, Trump doesn't even care if he dies in a coup.

On another note... good news that Parler, as of today, has no platform. Google, Apple and now Amazon have washed their hands of them.

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Lweji · 10/01/2021 07:52

And although many of the masked men may never be arrested for this, all the attention will now turn to internal terrorism. Like Al Qaeda got after 9-11.

I do wonder about blaming GOP as a whole. Many people are very defensive of their party and won't blame it. A better strategy will be to go for the leadership,e but strong older school or new fresh republican leaders will have to emerge.
This time in opposition should be a good opportunity for leadership challenges.
But I'm not confident it will happen. I think it's more likely that there will be several dirty years ahead.

Roussette · 10/01/2021 07:56

I do feel sympathy to Barron. Hes still a child

I do too. For now.
But I want him when he is a young adult to be the one who kicks back against all his family, teams up with Mary Trump, writes a book about how vile his father and Ivanka and all of them were. And then goes off to have a successful life without them all.
One can dream!
I had hopes for Tiffany but she sold out for money too

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SunniCameHomeWithAVengeance · 10/01/2021 08:01

I hope he does Roussette.
Pence can't honestly be surprised at the lack of contact. Hes served his purpose and is of no more use.

Roussette · 10/01/2021 08:01

Sleip that link, batshit is an understatement ! How very dangerous is that piece Shock

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Lweji · 10/01/2021 08:10

Never mind lack of contact. Pence will be happy not to hear from Trump. Wink

Mypathtriedtokillme · 10/01/2021 08:12

@Roussette

I thought it was well thought out too.
It’s not a new position that came with Trump.
It was by design to hamstring Obama. (And anyone these the perceived as against there views) and put themselves in a position of power.
I don’t think the GOP will reinvent themselves, it’s been working out so well for them up until lately.
I think they will double down and move even further to the far right than they are.

Really they desperately need a political overhaul like NZ did in the early 90’s to a fairer more representative less 2 party system.

JamieLeesCurtains · 10/01/2021 08:13

[quote Mypathtriedtokillme]Sci-Fi writer John Scalzi has a good take on how the GOP got to where they are now at.
He describes it is “but what if we didn’t”

whatever.scalzi.com/2021/01/07/but-what-if-we-didnt/?amp&_gl=11l6uxdp_ga*YW1wLTR0WGpPdzFadHVEaFgxZjdCcTRodXc.[/quote]
There are some very interesting comments under this excellent piece, also worth reading.

Thanks for the link.

Mypathtriedtokillme · 10/01/2021 08:18

[quote Sleipnirthewonderhorse]Batshit
nyegop.org/2021/01/08/a-letter-from-the-chairman/?v=7516fd43adaa[/quote]
I find the comments a bit sad in just how delusional and quick they are to believe.
All except for 1 “Rob” who pointed out:

Rob
January 8, 2021 at 8:15 pm
You realize if you are wrong you are responsible for leading people down a path of pain and confusion. I hope your right. If not… patriots are out of options. It’s ok if you’ve been led on too. I forgive you… and I will have your back no matter what. But you understand why this last minute shit seems unlikely… like this is already some made for Tv expectation…. some true HBO drama. It’s seriously mind numbing.

mathanxiety · 10/01/2021 08:20

@Igotjelly

I do wonder with the veterans that are involved how much of it is Trump and his idiologies preying on those who have suffered trauma and have mental health issues as a result. It's already well known that post-service mental health care is abysmal.

I don't think this is the case.

The military attracts a certain type of person in the first place, and weeds out people who do not fit a certain mould. The values the military looks for or instills in rank-and-file enlisted personnel and NCO ranks include patriotism of the 'My country right or wrong' variety. Since the Vietnam controversy and backlash ended there has been a definite 'Critisism of anything that comes under the heading of Patriotism is unpatriotic' vein in American society.

There are hundreds of thousands of families in the US where members have served for four-five-six generations. Whole sections of society are dyed in the wool military with a strong military culture, a more salient feature in some regions than in others - it's all 'Yessir', 'No Sir', 'salute that flag', 'do what you're ordered', 'duty is everything', and 'thinking is above your rank'.

Ronald Reagan is a massive hero, an object of veneration even, to this section of society. Advocating for anything that might remotely be connected to Socialism/ Communism (the two are very misunderstood and often conflated) is considered un-American and unpatriotic. Entire universes of thought and ideas are never up for consideration therefore. For some, even having an interest in how things are done in, say, the Netherlands, or Sweden, is to be avoided, because that alone implies a questioning of The American Way. There are people in the US who hold the rest of the world in scorn. They also hold Americans who have an interest in the rest of the world in scorn. This includes everyone in the Public Broadcasting Service, and since Fox cornered the conservative market, it includes everyone in the rest of commercial broadcast journalism too.

A lot of exMilitary end up in private security companies, in police forces in some metropolitan areas, state police forces, and in police forces such as the Capitol Police. They reflect a certain type of mindset - being comfortable wielding authority that comes from a specific position and license to have and use a weapon, and with uniformity/uniforms and a hierarchical chain of command. Following orders and procedures is a way of life.

Going in the security direction after leaving the military also reflects either very poor grades in school (because the GI Bill can cover a lot of the costs of third level education but you have to qualify for entry to a third level institution in order to avail of this benefit) or lack of interest in putting yourself in a position of having to learn something new.

Sticking close to what you are familiar with is an indication of lack of desire or maybe ability to engage with the new and the different. You are very likely as an individual to prefer short and simple answers to questions whose answers are actually long and complex. You are likely to choose action over thinking. As a white individual whose school performance has not been stellar, you are very likely to be vulnerable to the siren song of white supremacists.

merrymouse · 10/01/2021 08:37

Its bonkers that Guilliani is a serious contender. But i do think thats a measure of how few options Trump has.

One of the biggest lies Republicans have been asked to accept, particularly by Cruz and Hawley, is that they believed that Trump had a serious case to make, but somehow the best person to represent him was Giuliani.

merrymouse · 10/01/2021 08:46

The latest lie from Republicans is that they believe that impeachment is wrong because it would prevent reconciliation. They are just worried about being primaried if they don’t say the appropriate words.

mathanxiety · 10/01/2021 08:57

I would hazard a guess that the next flashpoint will be the changing of the names of all those military installations and bases currently bearing the names of Confederate leaders. Fort Bragg, etc.

Igotjelly · 10/01/2021 08:58

Whilst I'm nervous about the 20th I do hope that by then Biden will be surrounded by his own security, loyal to him and the office. Rather than having to rely on security of dubious alignment and controlled by Trump.

Mypathtriedtokillme · 10/01/2021 09:01

There are moves to get Giuliani disbarred in the state of New York.

Roussette · 10/01/2021 09:10

mathanxiety that was such an interesting post on the military

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JamieLeesCurtains · 10/01/2021 09:15

@Roussette

mathanxiety that was such an interesting post on the military
Agreed.

This bit,

As a white individual whose school performance has not been stellar, you are very likely to be vulnerable to the siren song of white supremacists

expressed a massive issue really well. I see it in the UK area I live in too.

Igotjelly · 10/01/2021 09:18

Yes agree mathanxiety thank you for that very insightful post!

merrymouse · 10/01/2021 09:34

Looking at the next 4 years and taking into account Math’s post, it’s difficult to understand how the ‘lets not impeach, let’s just be friends’ approach can work.

This isn’t just a case of agreeing to differ. Presumably the people who invaded the capitol and the Republicans who support them think nothing has changed. Why would they change their minds if it’s swept under the carpet? It’s not as though Fox is going to stop monetising outrage against Biden.

Lweji · 10/01/2021 09:37

Wasn't support for Trump dwindling among the military?
Even one track minds are trained to defend the country and the constitution, not individual presidents. With a small minority who will.

Meanwhile, a de facto 25th?
Just ignore the President or hope he doesn't call. As he isn't likely to have numbers to hand or even know who to contact...

JamieLeesCurtains · 10/01/2021 09:42

Is Biden going to have to be sworn in in a bullet-proof perspex box?

I doubt he'd agree to that, though.

But I'm with RedToothBrush on this, and share her really bad feeling about it. The risks are sky high, especially with Trump publicly absenting himself (and his family).

Igotjelly · 10/01/2021 09:48

Pence is attending.

Lweji · 10/01/2021 09:49

Pence is a traitor.
There were calls for him to be hanged.