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On our way to Biden's Inauguration (Trump #119)

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Roussette · 09/01/2021 11:21

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4128420-Capitol-Hill-and-the-next-2-weeks-Trump-118?watched=1&msgid=103459695#103459695

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AcrossthePond55 · 09/01/2021 23:23

@pappajonessecretchild

i have been following these threads from 4 years ago, when tbh i thought he wouldnt last a year, i do dip in and out when he has a mad moment, but not posted before. can someone explain to me, and talk like you are talking to a 5 year old, can Trump still pardon himself if they put forward to impeach him on monday? and can he still pardon his family etc whilst this is going on? I am really hoping he has lost his chance, but this is trump.
can Trump still pardon himself if they put forward to impeach him on monday? Yes

and can he still pardon his family etc whilst this is going on? Yes

Remember, he's already been impeached once. Impeachment doesn't really affect a president's powers or prerogative. It's pretty much just "We find that he's done this terrible thing and we're going to ask the Senate to remove him from office". It's the Senate that has the real power in these situations.

TracyBeakerSoYeah · 09/01/2021 23:29

Some Covid patients after recovering from the main symptoms are subsequently suffering from psychosis.
Wouldn't at all be surprised if this is trotted out next week regardless of whether it is true or not that Trump is experiencing this. Brilliant get out clause either way as it blames it totally on Covid not the person.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/12/28/health/covid-psychosis-mental.amp.html%3f0p19G=0232

www.bjmp.org/content/covid-19-diagnostic-difficulties-and-acute-psychosis

casereports.bmj.com/content/13/8/e236940

Cacacoisfarraige · 09/01/2021 23:29

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Emmelina · 09/01/2021 23:29

Placemarking. These move so fast at the moment!

Mypathtriedtokillme · 09/01/2021 23:30

Sci-Fi writer John Scalzi has a good take on how the GOP got to where they are now at.
He describes it is “but what if we didn’t”

whatever.scalzi.com/2021/01/07/but-what-if-we-didnt/?amp&_gl=11l6uxdp_ga*YW1wLTR0WGpPdzFadHVEaFgxZjdCcTRodXc.

Delphinium20 · 09/01/2021 23:31

Just a reminder that he was ONLY impeached by the House but the Senate acquitted him.

Cacacoisfarraige · 09/01/2021 23:32

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Destinysdaughter · 09/01/2021 23:45

Just saw your message, thank.you for saying that, I hope I just planted some seeds. She's a lovely person and I do genuinely care about her, so maybe that came across?

Destinysdaughter · 09/01/2021 23:46

Bugger tried to do the quote thingy and it didnt work!

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/01/2021 23:53

Surprised Rudy thinks he'll have time to defend Trump. He's likely to have his work cut out organising his own defence when the sedition charge comes in, I'd have thought.

That's if he isn't already disbarred
www.newsweek.com/bar-association-urged-disqualify-giuliani-over-trial-combat-speech-before-dc-riot-1560263

RedToothBrush · 09/01/2021 23:56

Tweet from a thread about who might defend Trump in an impeachment hearing.

Maggie Haberman @maggieNYT
As the House Democrats prepare for a second impeachment of President Trump, the president’s legal team for that round is coming into consideration, according a person familiar with the talks. 1/

Those from the first one likely to be involved are Giuliani, the person said, and aides are unclear on Dershowitz. Those who won’t be who were last time are Jay Sekulow, Marty and Jane Raskins, Pat Cipollone and Pat Philbin. 2/

Worth remembering that this trial is almost certain to take place after he is out of office. 3/3.

Phil Mattingley @phil_mattingley
i’ve spent the last several hours pondering the idea of Giuliani, he of “trial by combat” and calling senators as the Capitol was being overrun to delay proceedings longer, standing in front of senators defending Trump at an impeachment trial.

Its bonkers that Guilliani is a serious contender. But i do think thats a measure of how few options Trump has.

I note the wording of the above too. Dershowitz sounds far from a done deal. It sounds a lot like that's who Trump would like but he has yet to agree.

And you do have to ask the question here.

If this isn't likely to happen until Trump is out of office, Trump has a debt collection problem on 21st Jan and no guarantee of staying solvent.

Dershowitz is likely to be aware of this. Its been much reported that the Trump Campaign has got a poor record of paying its bills at all never mind on time.

With this in mind, Dershowitz may well have reservations about whats in it for him.

Especially if Guilliani is also on board!

www.buzzfeednews.com/amphtml/emmanuelfelton/black-capitol-police-racism-mob?__twitter_impression=true
These Black Capitol Police Officers Describe Fighting Off "Racist Ass Terrorists"
Two Black officers told BuzzFeed News that their chief and other upper management left them totally unprepared and were nowhere to be found on the day.

The first glimpse of the deadly tragedy that was about to unfold came at 9 a.m. on the morning of the insurrection for one Black veteran of the US Capitol Police. But it didn’t come from his superiors — instead the officer had to rely on a screenshot from Instagram sent to him by a friend.

“I found out what they were planning when a friend of mine screenshot me an Instagram story from the Proud Boys saying, ‘We’re breaching the capitol today, guys. I hope y’all ready.’” The officer, who asked to remain anonymous out of fear of retaliation from his superiors, told BuzzFeed News that it was just a sign of the chaos that was to come, which saw officers regularly finding themselves unprepared and then outmanned and overpowered by the mob.

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While some of the images from that day appeared to show officers standing by to let the mob into the Capitol building, the veteran officer said that they had fought them off for two hours before the attackers eventually gained access. The officer said that many of the widely spread images of smiling marauders, wandering the halls dressed in absurd costumes, had the effect of downplaying how well prepared some of the rioters were to overtake the building, and even to capture and kill Congress members.

“That was a heavily trained group of militia terrorists that attacked us,” said the officer, who has been with the department for more than a decade. “They had radios, we found them, they had two-way communicators and earpieces. They had bear spray. They had flash bangs ... They were prepared. They strategically put two IEDs, pipe bombs in two different locations. These guys were military trained. A lot of them were former military,” the veteran said, referring to two suspected pipe bombs that were found outside the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee and the Republican National Committee.

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“You have the nerve to be holding a blue lives matter flag, and you are out there fucking us up,” he told one group of protestors he encountered inside the Capitol. “[One guy] pulled out his badge and he said, ‘we’re doing this for you.’ Another guy had his badge. So I was like, ‘well, you gotta be kidding.’”

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The older Black officer didn’t think it was a simple case of treating the rioters differently from BLM protesters, but instead part of a bigger issue with how the agency is managed.

“Our chief was nowhere to be found, I didn’t hear him on the radio. One of our other deputy chiefs was not there,” he said. “You don’t think it’s all hands on deck?”

DuncinToffee · 10/01/2021 00:26

Worrying thread by Seth Abramson about Trump an proud boys

BREAKING: Major media previously reported that Trump's insurrection was initiated by a gang of men in "blaze orange hats." CNN now confirms that these were the Proud Boys—the very white supremacist group Trump told to "stand by" at a presidential debate.

(PS) Per major media, the first seditionists to break down barricades and charge the Capitol were wearing "blaze orange hats," which again has now been confirmed to be the means by which the Proud Boys recognized one another during the insurrection. This is a stunning revelation.

(PS2) I can't tell you how many people are writing to remind me that the Proud Boys' leader was at the White House on the very day Trump excitedly tweeted about the January 6 rally. If this timeline is correct, we now have a terrifying synchronicity.

(PS3) There are increasing indications that Team Trump used the Proud Boys to "kick off" the insurrection by providing the spark that turned a march to the Capitol into an invasion of the Capitol. I fear the real story of the insurrection is going to get very ugly very quickly.

twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1348058154999943175?s=19

REignbow · 10/01/2021 00:42

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Furries · 10/01/2021 04:26

At a very base level, Trump is going to be feeling euphoric at the constant media coverage. No matter what the content is - he is going to be relishing the fact that most news coverage is all about him/due to him. In his mind, this is going to reinforce how “important” he is.

Whatever happens over the coming weeks, it’s not going to be good. If he “gets away with it” he is going to carry on - his “this is the beginning of or relationship” comment shouldn’t be taken lightly. Or, if he’s impeached or has the 25th invoked against him, then his “followers” will forever see him as a martyr. And they will fight back even more fervently.

And in the background, whatever happens, his despicable children will be looking to undermine any attempt to try to heal the country.

I’m normally “find the silver lining’ type person. But I’m really failing in this situation.

ArrrMeHearties · 10/01/2021 05:53

Thank you for the new thread. Will this be the thread that trump gets kicked out on i wonder or will it be next one depending on how quickly we fill this one

RedToothBrush · 10/01/2021 07:01

I can't tell you how many people are writing to remind me that the Proud Boys' leader was at the White House on the very day Trump excitedly tweeted about the January 6 rally. If this timeline is correct, we now have a terrifying synchronicity.

Don't you recall there was a least one journalist who said that the white house 'was in touch' with the rioters at the Capitol Building on the day?

I posted about it.

I fear things are a lot lot worse than people realise and i am really starting to fear what will happen on the 20th.

There is an army who want to storm DC and kill the incoming president and all elected officials.

They are now emboldened, pissed off and realise they weren't organised enough.

I have a VERY VERY bad feeling about it all.

RedToothBrush · 10/01/2021 07:14

This is an interesting revelation after this seems to have been dismissed.

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/09/politics/mike-pence-25th-amendment/index.html?__twitter_impression=true
Pence has not ruled out 25th Amendment, source says

Vice President Mike Pence has not ruled out an effort to invoke the 25th Amendment and wants to preserve the option in case President Donald Trump becomes more unstable, a source close to the vice president says.

The source said there is some concern inside Pence's team that there are risks to invoking the 25th Amendment or even to an impeachment process, as Trump could take some sort of rash action putting the nation at risk.

As of Saturday evening, Trump and Pence still have not spoken since the Wednesday incursion at the US Capitol that left five people dead, including a Capitol Police officer, another source told CNN. The President has also not made any public comments denouncing death threats that have been posted on social media targeting Pence.

Pence has finally "gotten a glimpse of POTUS's vindictiveness," one source said, using the acronym for President of the United States

Strikes me theres the numbers within the party giving this serious consideration.

They are just deciding still whether they are prepared to go through with it now.

But enough are rattled.

"But what if we don't"....

SunniCameHomeWithAVengeance · 10/01/2021 07:18

Is anyone else wondering about FLOTUS? Is she getting her divorce paperwork finalised now that shes no longer contracted to be his wife because hes not the president after January 20th? I hope she takes Barron away from the whole stinking lot.

RedToothBrush · 10/01/2021 07:25

@SunniCameHomeWithAVengeance

Is anyone else wondering about FLOTUS? Is she getting her divorce paperwork finalised now that shes no longer contracted to be his wife because hes not the president after January 20th? I hope she takes Barron away from the whole stinking lot.
Why the sympathy and lackbof condemnation for her. I don't get it.

She's happy to profit from her position.

Profit. That word again.

She is every bit the monster he is. Dont santise her

Roussette · 10/01/2021 07:29

Mypathtriedtokillme

That is such an interesting article you linked. I've just pinched one para to put on here if you don't mind.
Where on earth do the GOP go from here? Will they reinvent themselves? They don't appear to want to. Will any of the seditious Senators be drummed out the party? They should.

'The Republican Party is a traitor to the ideals and practice of democracy in the United States. It fomented, aided and abetted an insurrection. A regrettable number of its members in the national government have signed on for sedition over the peaceful transfer of power (“The peaceful transfer of power? Okay, but what if we… didn’t?”). These seditious members should be drummed out of Congress, right now, and some Republicans who are in power should be charged with crimes. The Republican Party got us as close as we have gotten since the Civil War to the collapse of our democracy, not by accident, but by design, and had the implementation of that design been only a little more competent, both now and over the last few years, it might have succeeded. The GOP is an enemy of the United States — not conservatism as a whole, but its party (although at the moment I have no great kind thoughts about conservatism, either) — and if it had any institutional capacity for shame and self-reflection, it would end itself.'

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Roussette · 10/01/2021 07:33

Yes, I agree, no sympathy for Melania whatsoever. It all started out years ago with her spouting the Obama birther nonsense on a talk show. She sold her soul and I have not a shred of empathy for her position. I'd love it if Barron was the first Trump child who broke away from the family.

As the coat she wore to visit children in cages says... 'I really don't care, do you?'

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RedToothBrush · 10/01/2021 07:35

John Scott-Railton has a piece of footage of a line of heavily armed men making their way through the crowd together and using hand signals to each other and carrying ham radios.

Lweji · 10/01/2021 07:42

The FBI will be looking at a lot more than what the TVs have shown.

The CCTV from a clip earlier shows an officer taking fotos after they were sprayed with a gas.

But on a lighter note:
Deep cleaning and new toilets for the First Lady offices.
www.tmz.com/2021/01/05/white-house-east-wing-restroom-refresh-first-lady-jill-biden/

MyNameIsArthur · 10/01/2021 07:43

PMK thanks

SunniCameHomeWithAVengeance · 10/01/2021 07:46

Oh I have no sympathy for her, please make no mistake in that. She knew what she was signing up for. I do feel sympathy to Barron. Hes still a child.