Capitol Hill and the next 2 weeks (Trump #118)

[Roussette]

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4128051-Coup-on-Capitol-Hill-Trump-117

Fast moving threads....

@Roussette

Real patriots, huh???

New York Daily News
@NYDailyNews
Some of the pro-Trump rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol defecated inside the building and smeared feces in hallways.

You can test dogshit for DNA ...

I want to see Trump land in Scotland,
be refused entry,
fuel up and fly to Ireland,
be refused entry,
fuel up and fly to New York
and get arrested as he will not be President by then

Shouldn't people quickly go and open accounts there in the names Donald Trump, Donald J Trump (with and without full stop after the J), ReallyDonaldTrump and so forth, just to confuse?

@Roussette

Real patriots, huh???

New York Daily News
@NYDailyNews
Some of the pro-Trump rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol defecated inside the building and smeared feces in hallways.

You see this over and over again with male rioters/looters/intruders. It's so fucked up isn't it.

@MarshaBradyo

He’s back on Twitter 😫

They should ban him. Sure he'll still get the message out to his supporters but it's time to turn the oxygen off.

@ListeningQuietly

I want to see Trump land in Scotland, be refused entry, fuel up and fly to Ireland, be refused entry, fuel up and fly to New York and get arrested as he will not be President by then

Be interesting to play out a "Trump in exile" narrative. Like he's the Dalai Lama.

If Putin really wanted to hasten the demise of the US, then all he needs to do now is to wait a few days longer, and then openly offer to fly Trump "back home" in order to escape the clutches of the Imperialist Democrats, along with a fulsome speech praising Donnies "unwavering help these past 4 years".

Lurker here, following in fascination and horror at what's unfolding. I have a question that's been niggling me since the events at the Capitol. Who gets to decide that the events were an attempted coup / revolution? As in, does it become "official" that that's what it was, or is it enough that [mainly Democrat] politicians call it that, or the media, or who? Because some of the protaganists called it a "revolution", does that make it so? (Can you self-declare a coup / revolution?!?) When does an outing of anoraked MAGA protest tourists and a bunch of right wing nutjob vigilantes (noting that the groups may have some overlap!) turn into a coup? Is it just down to their intent or does it depend on how cose they were to succeeding?

I'm wondering because calling it a "failed revolution" or a "coup attempt" maybe gives events a credence that it doesn't deserve and could serve to promote and glorify those involved. Conversely though, it was an incredibly close call that could have gone horribly in a different direction and the gravity of the situation shouldn't be downplayed.

Actually, that was lots of questions, wasn't it?

I would like to see the U.K. govt ban Trump and his 3 oldest children from this country for the foreseeable future on the grounds that his presence would not be "conducive to the public good" or whatever the rubric is. The idea of him or them being on our soil for any reason has gone from only being repellent to being repellent, alarming and insupportable.

DGRossetti
If Putin really wanted to hasten the demise of the US, then all he needs to do now is to wait a few days longer, and then openly offer to fly Trump "back home" in order to escape the clutches of the Imperialist Democrats, along with a fulsome speech praising Donnies "unwavering help these past 4 years".

The Trumpistas would just say it was faked.

Who gets to decide that the events were an attempted coup / revolution?

Once upon a time, the dictionary. But we've progressed to that Brave New World where words are merely a load of letters jumbled up.

Generally a coup is replacing the existing leader by force.

A revolution is replacing the existing system with a new one.

So 1776 was a Revolution (in theory it should be called a rebellion if you are British, but that's another example of the winners writing history).

So "coup" seems about right to me.

Worth nothing the "force" needed to replace the leader doesn't need to be overwhelming. Or even exist. It just needs to be able to scare the incumbents into giving up power.

History is always your friend ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Rome

@ListeningQuietly

I want to see Trump land in Scotland, be refused entry, fuel up and fly to Ireland, be refused entry, fuel up and fly to New York and get arrested as he will not be President by then

I would watch this 'border control' special.

Incidentally, the American Civil War isn't that long ago:
www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/missouri-woman-believed-to-be-last-civil-war-widow-dies/2021/01/07/910f6eb2-5128-11eb-a1f5-fdaf28cfca90_story.html?fbclid=IwAR0fsPE-qpVsjpeUk1hohl5sgmw0Gym2OwFglzBWVk6AOINdJu2tL7K9NNc

(Actually I think it cheats rather, but even so...)

Incidentally, the American Civil War isn't that long ago

The way some folk act, it was last week.

You see this over and over again with male rioters/looters/intruders. It's so fucked up isn't it.

Yes. And there's photos of men urinating at the top of the capitol steps.

Men are so disgusting at times. Hope they get caught by the DNA in their shit. That would be wonderful.

FGSWhatNow Very relevant questions that I don't really know proper answers to!

You can test dogshit for DNA ...

So can human.

Regarding the video, I wonder if he isn't near the WH at all. Or was afraid of being in the room where he is supposed to be. The WH was all dark the other day.
He could have recorded it elsewhere, or they got footage from several rehearsals and decided to use it, as he wouldn't or couldn't deliver the actual message.

You can test dogshit for DNA ...

However you can't dust for vomit (I should have added ...)

@FGSWhatNow

Lurker here, following in fascination and horror at what's unfolding. I have a question that's been niggling me since the events at the Capitol. Who gets to decide that the events were an attempted coup / revolution? As in, does it become "official" that that's what it was, or is it enough that [mainly Democrat] politicians call it that, or the media, or who? Because some of the protaganists called it a "revolution", does that make it so? (Can you self-declare a coup / revolution?!?) When does an outing of anoraked MAGA protest tourists and a bunch of right wing nutjob vigilantes (noting that the groups may have some overlap!) turn into a coup? Is it just down to their intent or does it depend on how cose they were to succeeding?

I'm wondering because calling it a "failed revolution" or a "coup attempt" maybe gives events a credence that it doesn't deserve and could serve to promote and glorify those involved. Conversely though, it was an incredibly close call that could have gone horribly in a different direction and the gravity of the situation shouldn't be downplayed.

Actually, that was lots of questions, wasn't it?

The short answer is that there is no definitive answer : )

There is a huge debate on Twitter right now among scholars and historians who specialise in this area. I think eventually there will be some kind of consensus but it also depends on what happens in the coming days.

The problem is that it was not a unified group with one aim. There were clearly some participants who saw this as an attempted coup, if you look at all the social media before the 6th. Some we might call domestic terrorists, e.g. the guy who planted pipe bombs, the guys looking for Pelosi and Schumer with god knows what intentions. And then there was a huge crowd of rioters, people who took advantage of the chaos to run amok.

For now I would just call it political violence, or maybe a paramilitary attack. But you can probably make a case for 'failed coup', if we use the term loosely.

Also, the video is on his Twitter account.
So, it will have the consent of whoever posted:

"The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!"

I'll assume it's him.

Thread by Kate Starbird
twitter.com/katestarbird/status/1347565796881354754?s=19

Reading today that Charlie Kirk’s TPUSA—sent 80 bus loads to the Jan 6 riot/attack. Kirk’s Twitter account is one of the top “superspreaders” of false voter fraud claims — playing a significant role in feeding the conspiracy-theory-driven grievance that motivated those protesters

Virginia Thomas, wife of Justice Clarence Thomas, is on the advisory council for TPUSA.

For now I would just call it political violence, or maybe a paramilitary attack. But you can probably make a case for 'failed coup', if we use the term loosely.

For all our sakes, let us hope it's not "dry run" ...

Lindsey Graham doesn't want Trump impeached

As President @realDonaldTrump stated last night, it is time to heal and move on.

If Speaker Pelosi pushes impeachm ent in the last days of the Trump presidency it will do more harm than good.I’m hopeful President-elect Biden sees the damage that would be done from such action.

twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1347568532951867392?s=19

@Lweji

Breaking news. Trump tweets he won't attend the Inauguration.

Tom Joseph @TomJChicago ALERT: Don’t take Trump’s tweet that he won’t attend the inauguration at face value. We all knew that. This is him confirming for his Capitol rioters who want to disrupt the inauguration that he won’t be sitting there. He’s green-lighting their plans. Move it to a secure location ..................... ^could he be right, this is just a signal to his mob that they can attack the inauguration unconstrained by fears about the safely of the 'dear leader'

The dry run aspect is worrisome. Imagine if the Trump administration was competent.

Lindsey Graham is an absolute bastard. He's hopeful Biden sees the damage that would be done from impeachment?
What about the damage for generations to come from what happened? World standing? The lost months for a peaceful transition and handover.
The list goes on

Yoho That's what I said upthread, I'd read that fear on Twitter. I think this is giving them the green light to go ahead.