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Capitol Hill and the next 2 weeks (Trump #118)

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Roussette · 07/01/2021 10:52

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4128051-Coup-on-Capitol-Hill-Trump-117

Fast moving threads....

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Mittens030869 · 08/01/2021 15:55

Well, unfortunately, with the way he's whipped up his supporters into a frenzy, they may try something whether or not he plays any part in the action.

YippeeKayakOtherBuckets · 08/01/2021 15:56

I read it as letting his people know he’s not in the firing line when they blow up the inauguration.

Roussette · 08/01/2021 15:57

A Democratic politician tweeted this...
Joaquin Castro
@JoaquinCastrotx
In addition to supporting the impeachment and removal of Donald Trump, I am also preparing legislation that would prohibit any federal building or property from being named after President Donald J. Trump.

1/2
1:42 AM · Jan 8, 2021·Twitter Web App
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@JoaquinCastrotx

@JoaquinCastrotx
President Trump incited an insurrection that damaged some our nation’s most significant and sacred federal property.

Most importantly - let us learn from our past.

Donald Trump should never become a future generation’s confederate symbol. 2/2

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DGRossetti · 08/01/2021 15:58

I wonder who arranges the inauguration ? Presumably the incoming administration ?

Since Trumps entire term has been precedent defying (or setting) then maybe there's scope to arrange a much more secure one, whilst at the same time being much less formal.

In the middle of a field you have to walk 10 miles to get to would be a start. Maybe a national park ?

Jaichangecentfoisdenom · 08/01/2021 15:58

Randy Rainbow's back again!
https://fb.watch/2UewzUM0dm/

Roussette · 08/01/2021 16:01

A seperate body organises it and doles out the money etc.

Ivanka is still being investigated for misuse of not-for-profit funds for 2017 inauguration

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dreamingbohemian · 08/01/2021 16:05

The principle of civilian control of the military is very important in the US. The generals do not have to follow unlawful orders -- they can refuse to nuke Tehran for no reason. But a limited airstrike can usually be presented in such a way that there is no obvious illegality, and the idea is that the military does not decide whether it wants to obey the president or not. That is actually quite dangerous, because it sets up the military as an independent power broker with a lot of firepower on its side.

In practice the president does not make these kinds of decisions alone. He needs to get the VP, certain cabinet members and the joint chiefs onside. So no, Trump can't do anything really outlandish on his own. And given recent events, I would expect a lot of foot dragging for any order whatsoever.

But none of this is specific to the US. Teresa May ordered airstrikes in Syria without parliamentary approval, for example.

I'm not saying it's a good thing but it's not a uniquely American thing.

TheHoneyBadger · 08/01/2021 16:13

@mathanxiety

Hopefully as Biden has all 3 levels for the next 2 years he will able to use the outrage of the world to kick some sense into the system

@ListeningQuietly
The average American middle-aged and up has been brought up on a steady diet of pure, unshakeable scorn for the rest of the world.

Americans are explicitly taught that America is a chosen country, the only place where anyone has any rights, a beacon of democracy for the entire universe, superior and exceptional in every way, and that America has a divine right and even a duty to run the rest of the world.

The opinion of the rest of the world matters to a tiny, tiny minority of Americans. The vast majority circle the wagons and consider any outside criticism of America as a direct personal attack on them.

Fascinating to read that and see you even use the phrase 'circle the wagons'. As I was reading it I was thinking about the concept of Manifest Destiny that fuelled migration west and the painting American Progress that visually illustrates it and I use in the classroom with history students to help them understand how American's migrating west viewed their quest (one feature being the wagons).

They generally think the American West topic is boring but I try to get them to see how it's crucial to understanding it the american mindset (culturally obviously rather than every individual) and actions in the world.

That cultural history can still be seen writ large in american domestic politics and foreign policy.

AcrossthePond55 · 08/01/2021 16:16

@Roussette

Donald J. Trump *@realDonaldTrump* To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.

I just had to reply didn't I......

You know that relief you feel when that nasty-when-drunk-uncle says he's not coming to Xmas dinner? You know, the one to whom you reply "Oh, that's a shame. I'm sure we'll all miss you" as you tap-dance around the kitchen?

I'm sure that's the sense of relief they're all feeling. Wonder if he's going to try to organize a rally. 🤦🏼‍♀️

DuncinToffee · 08/01/2021 16:16

@Roussette

Donald J. Trump *@realDonaldTrump* To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.

I just had to reply didn't I......

The replies Grin, twitter at it's best
Roussette · 08/01/2021 16:20

I know!

The one worrying thing is.... is this a call out to his followers to say 'do what you want, I'll be safe, I won't be there'

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DuncinToffee · 08/01/2021 16:21

[quote Jaichangecentfoisdenom]Randy Rainbow's back again!
[[https://fb.watch/2UewzUM0dm/]][/quote]
Grin

DeRigueurMortis · 08/01/2021 16:28

Why doesn't Twitter grow a backbone?

I think it would be a mistake to ban him.

Whilst he has his fan base on Twitter and it's a promo tool for him it also provides the opportunity for the rest of us to see what utter rubbish he's spouting.

It also gives some measure of control in so far he'll need to post within the rules.

The alternative is he moves to Parler where there will be no censure whatsoever AND he'll take a lot of his supporters with him, vastly inflating the worth and reach of that platform.

DuncinToffee · 08/01/2021 16:29

His followers will see it that way, to me it reads more like a petulant child saying 'I don't want to go and you can't make me'

Wonder where he will be running to. Someone on these threads mentioned Saudi Arabia as a possibility.

DGRossetti · 08/01/2021 16:30

The average American middle-aged and up has been brought up on a steady diet of pure, unshakeable scorn for the rest of the world.

Touring the USS Texas, I was told how the US gave the UK radar in 1941.

DGRossetti · 08/01/2021 16:35

@DuncinToffee

His followers will see it that way, to me it reads more like a petulant child saying 'I don't want to go and you can't make me'

Wonder where he will be running to. Someone on these threads mentioned Saudi Arabia as a possibility.

I guess it's time to reveal that all that building work in Kent wasn't for a lorry park after all. In a stunning example of cunning and foresight, the UK government played on Remoaner project fear to pretend to build a lorry park (after all, who's checking) when in reality they are constructing "Chateau Trump" with Farages house inside the keep.

That's why it was all cloaked in secrecy and the locals couldn't know (till now - what a way to find out).

Apparently MI5s codename for the project is "Village People".

DGRossetti · 08/01/2021 16:40

Provenance unknown, but as predicted a few weeks back ...

A professional cinematographer examines the President's most recent video and shares his conclusions:

I’ve been a camera and lighting man for over 10 years with experience in visual effects. In my opinion there is a high probability that that this video is composited in post. Regarding the low resolution: If he’s getting a deep fake head transplant then the low resolution would have the benefit of smoothing out the masking around his neckline in the profile shot as well as the overly sharp and unnatural edges that outline his body and the flags in the straight-on shot. (Rotoscoping)

Low resolution would also cover up any differences in sharpness if they are compositing together two or more layers with different source resolutions. For example, a 4K Trump head onto a 1080p Trump body and podium.

Higher resolutions allow for better motion tracking, if it is a deep fake they may have ripped the background and body from a previous speech at whatever the highest resolution was they could get. Dropped it in a 4K timeline with a rendered head and then outputted at 720 or 480 to smooth out and hide the quality disparity.

Take a look at the background... it appears to be a still image, it’s rock solid, no digital noise at all. In my opinion there is also additional bokeh added to it. (Blur)

Lastly, there are lens abnormalities. These are shot on longer focal length lenses, which means you will have dramatic focus falloff. When looking at the profile shot for example, the focus falloff between GEOTUS and flags is minimal. While it is significant between the flags and the walls. However, the distance appears to be greater between GEOTUS and the flag than between the flag and walls. This is not how lenses work, at the very least the background is being altered.

Running with the deep fake idea, it’s worth noting that this video is strikingly similar to the setup where he addressed the nation regarding voter fraud last month. By that I mean the same lighting, same angles and same lens focal lengths. That video was also the first time there was an edit which awkwardly cut to a side angle. Perhaps they deep faked this demoralization propaganda into that original video.

What does it all mean? I think it’s doctored

A prerecorded PR package concession speech from GEOTUS smells like total bullshit to me. Especially considering he’s been conveniently disappeared by the tech overlords since yesterday.

If I were to speculate it seems the Deep State is trying to deflate the public. Yesterday’s happenings showed the world just how vulnerable they are when the people are determined to exact justice. They need to have our leader kneel and become diminished in our eyes before we become even more emboldened. They need our submission, it is the only way they can prevail.

Lweji · 08/01/2021 16:48

Breaking news. Trump tweets he won't attend the Inauguration. Grin

MarshaBradyo · 08/01/2021 16:50

He’s back on Twitter 😫

Lweji · 08/01/2021 16:50

(sorry, obviously a bit late :) )
Still, happy news.

Roussette · 08/01/2021 16:52

Real patriots, huh??? Hmm

New York Daily News
@NYDailyNews
Some of the pro-Trump rioters who stormed the U.S. Capitol defecated inside the building and smeared feces in hallways.

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DeRigueurMortis · 08/01/2021 16:53

@DGRossetti

Provenance unknown, but as predicted a few weeks back ...

A professional cinematographer examines the President's most recent video and shares his conclusions:

I’ve been a camera and lighting man for over 10 years with experience in visual effects. In my opinion there is a high probability that that this video is composited in post. Regarding the low resolution: If he’s getting a deep fake head transplant then the low resolution would have the benefit of smoothing out the masking around his neckline in the profile shot as well as the overly sharp and unnatural edges that outline his body and the flags in the straight-on shot. (Rotoscoping)

Low resolution would also cover up any differences in sharpness if they are compositing together two or more layers with different source resolutions. For example, a 4K Trump head onto a 1080p Trump body and podium.

Higher resolutions allow for better motion tracking, if it is a deep fake they may have ripped the background and body from a previous speech at whatever the highest resolution was they could get. Dropped it in a 4K timeline with a rendered head and then outputted at 720 or 480 to smooth out and hide the quality disparity.

Take a look at the background... it appears to be a still image, it’s rock solid, no digital noise at all. In my opinion there is also additional bokeh added to it. (Blur)

Lastly, there are lens abnormalities. These are shot on longer focal length lenses, which means you will have dramatic focus falloff. When looking at the profile shot for example, the focus falloff between GEOTUS and flags is minimal. While it is significant between the flags and the walls. However, the distance appears to be greater between GEOTUS and the flag than between the flag and walls. This is not how lenses work, at the very least the background is being altered.

Running with the deep fake idea, it’s worth noting that this video is strikingly similar to the setup where he addressed the nation regarding voter fraud last month. By that I mean the same lighting, same angles and same lens focal lengths. That video was also the first time there was an edit which awkwardly cut to a side angle. Perhaps they deep faked this demoralization propaganda into that original video.

What does it all mean? I think it’s doctored

A prerecorded PR package concession speech from GEOTUS smells like total bullshit to me. Especially considering he’s been conveniently disappeared by the tech overlords since yesterday.

If I were to speculate it seems the Deep State is trying to deflate the public. Yesterday’s happenings showed the world just how vulnerable they are when the people are determined to exact justice. They need to have our leader kneel and become diminished in our eyes before we become even more emboldened. They need our submission, it is the only way they can prevail.

As I said last night there is a lot wrong with that video.

However, I don't think it's put out by Trumps "enemies".

Roussette · 08/01/2021 16:53

The alternative is he moves to Parler where there will be no censure whatsoever AND he'll take a lot of his supporters with him, vastly inflating the worth and reach of that platform

There is a new account opened over there that tweeters are saying is him. No idea if it is or not.

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DeRigueurMortis · 08/01/2021 16:54

@Roussette

The alternative is he moves to Parler where there will be no censure whatsoever AND he'll take a lot of his supporters with him, vastly inflating the worth and reach of that platform

There is a new account opened over there that tweeters are saying is him. No idea if it is or not.

Wouldn't surprise me....