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Ds (13) sobbing uncontrollably about lack of hobbies and talents - where have gone wrong

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looseddaughter · 02/01/2021 22:57

Ds1 (13) has just gone to bed after a good 90 mins of ranting and sobbing over his perceived lack of hobbies and talents. He was as upset as I have ever seen him and it was horrible.

It started as I told him he'd had enough laptop for the day when he said he was going to his room and he said there was nothing else to do and it spiralled from there. We have had a pretty shit holiday in the sense that we've been in most days (isolated for a week and then obviously not a lot you can do in tier 4) so I don't know if there's an element of boredom after having been pent up but it did seem deeper.

He keep saying whatever he does there are 'people 10 steps ahead of me,' and 'I just want a hobby I can do that I'm good at and enjoy...a talent.' This was all through sobs. To be honest, it's true that he doesn't really have a hobby. He loves reading but only ever wants to do it just before bed, obviously enjoys his laptop and is a history fanatic so uses it for research, documentaries and history- based computer games. He doesn't do lego, likes the odd boardgame and doesn't do any sport except cricket, which was a nightmare last season as despite doing brilliantly in training he had a few nightmare games and did silly things like running himself out. I know he felt shit at the end of the season.

I think he tends to give up on things as soon as they're difficult. He bought some figures, again, history based, last year that needed painting and after the initial enthusiasm he got fed up of how fiddly it was and left it. Same thing happened with model making a couple of years ago. He got really into cycling last year but then seemed to just go right off it - not really sure why. He just gets these initial bursts of enthusiasm and then everything peters into nothingness. It doesn't help that he seems quite limited socially, even Covid aside, and despite having friends in school and telling me about them he rarely interacts with them outside school. Before lockdown never went out with them unless it was a party and now rarely online with them.

He's academically able and in top sets for everything with a real flair I'd say for English and humanities. I don't know if this is part of the problem as in a lot of things come quite easily to him then when something doesn't he just stops. He plays clarinet but has no real enthusiasm for it and moans endlessly about practising but insists he wants to carry on when I ask. Today he was crying about making no progress in it and I did explain (nicely) that he does the bare minimum practice so what does he expect? I was trying to say people with 'talents' or hobbies are prepared to spend hours on them and that's how they get good, which he doesn't do really, aside from cricket, which still didn't go well. He asked for a guitar last year but again had no interest in it really and it has barely been touched for months.

Earlier we'd watched a French crime drama with subtitles because he loves the genre and I casually suggested it as I like them and he's doing French at school. He's in Y9 and getting what the school call 'grades 7-9', so doing really well. However, he got really upset and said he couldn't hear any of the words he was supposed to know. I tried to explain that was to be expected but he kept saying how hard it was then mentioned a boy in his class who gets full marks every time and has apparently read LOTR in French.

I just don't know how to handle this. On the one hand I obviously don't want to pressure him and don't want him comparing himself to others in an unhealthy way, but on the other hand I kind of do think a hobby would do him good and have often felt he could do with sticking at things a bit more but I don't know how to approach it. Cricket is the thing he has devoted most time and energy to and, as I said, it doesn't really seem to have paid off. I was also trying to get across that hobbies aren't necessarily about excelling at something but are about enjoyment, but I think that's hard for him to get, especially where sport is concerned.

I also feel the usual guilt as his dad and I are divorced and I feel that disadvantages him because of living between two houses etc. Dad is a musician but has never got involved with the music practice and I feel ds is keeping it on to please his dad but also won't ask him for help. I don't really have hobbies, or not ones that are active - just things like reading, watching films, travel... not things where I actually do anything so not a good role model. Don't know - feel we have let him down and really don't know how to help.

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Pugliandreamer · 03/01/2021 09:32

Your son sounds like me at that age. And still now in all honesty. Academic, without too much trouble and without the attention span to apply himself to a 'hobby'. I just never enjoyed anything enough to do it for hours and what I really hated was the rules. So I loved tennis - hitting a ball around - but I hated the rules of what was in and out and the scoring system. I loved art and drawing but I hated the idea of studying different styles and all the things necessary to actually improve - I just wanted to put pen to paper. I played violin throughout but gave up lessons in the end because I never practiced. I also love history etc and ended up with all As at Alevel and an MSC.

Has he tried cooking or baking? That has ended up being my 'hobby' though I still am very ad-hoc about it and although I follow recipes I don't follow a systematic approach to learning new skills - I just pick stuff that sounds fun. But baking has very obvious results and it's immensely gratifying when it works. Bread baking too can work very well.

Alternatively if he likes languages but felt overwhelmed by the foreign language films could you download Babbel for him and pay for a 6month subscription. It doesn't have to be French if that's too like school and he knows people who are very skilled at it. He could pick a more unusual language so it's only himself to compete against.

I remember my DF having a concert with me one day where he said that if I was waiting to be the best at something I would be waiting a very long time because no matter how good you are, there will always be someone better than you out there. So better to find a contentedness in yourself than hold yourself up against anyone else.

I still lack a certain..drive. I work hard and do well wherever I work, get promotions etc, but I'll never be head of an intenration law firm (if you see what I mean) because I hurt don't have that internal pressure to compete. I don't like to fail so I think my natural reaction is back off. To dedicate yourself to a hobby you have to really want it and he probably just doesn't like that pressure.

If he loves debating with you is there a debating team at school he can join?

daisypond · 03/01/2021 09:35

@reefedsail

I am not saying here that feeling 'good' at stuff is essential for a child, but it is what your DS has said he wants so I'll comment.

The thing with kids hobbies is that, to get good at them, they need a parent facilitating. It doesn't just happen and the child doesn't initially know what they have to do to be successful.

You say he plays cricket- have you made sure he's with the best club you can reasonably travel to? Have you talked to the local high performance development coach (or whatever they are called in cricket) about the elite pathway for youth players and what training sessions you can take him to? Has he tried out for the County? Have you signed him up to the best coaching camps in the holidays? Have you found out what training he can do at home and supervised that?

You say he plays the clarinet- have you made sure he's with the best teacher you can reach and has as many lessons as you can possibly pay for? Have you found a Junior Department for him to audition for? Have look looked at the criteria for NYO and aimed him at the auditions for that? Have you written a practise schedule and supervised it?

You say he plays chess- have you taken him to the best chess club you can reach? Have you talked to a chess coach about the chess opportunities for youth players? Have you entered him in junior tournaments? Have you bought books and the best computer programmes and supervised practise?

I'm NOT saying you should do all this stuff- but the tiger parents will, and more. For your DS to feel as though he had a 'talent' (which is a myth, it's just which kid has had the best opportunities and done the most work) this is the sort of thing you would need to do.

It's hard too. My DS is at National Squad level for his sport. It takes up all of our spare resources and time as a whole family. Covid-excepted we travel thousands of miles every year for it and spend thousands of pounds. Being 'good' at a kids' hobby is not for the faint-hearted.

Sorry, I think this is quite poor advice. In some circumstances it may be OK, but not generally.
Cacacoisfarraige · 03/01/2021 09:36

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Thingsdogetbetter · 03/01/2021 09:37

PS a none competitive group activity is good for lack of resilience - where winning is not the point like in team sports and no 'practice' needed to become the best, just fun and support - historical reenactment perhaps.

Skylor · 03/01/2021 09:40

I think its normal and the lack of socialisation talking. How many of the well meaning adult PPs have any hobbies that they are properly good at? It's just to pass time.

I'm very lazy like him and a straight As student who enjoyed gaming as teenager.

ToffeePennie · 03/01/2021 09:43

I have a 3 year old boy and a 6 year old boy.
When covid isn’t around;
My 3 year old does football on Saturdays, before both boys go and do BMX racing.
My biggest does swimming Tuesdays, Beavers and BMX Thursdays and Dance on Fridays. He used to do Football but we decided it wasn’t for him.
My little one attends a drama group on Mondays and Wednesdays, Football Saturday mornings, Diddi Dance on Tuesday and sometimes has extra rehearsals on Sunday's.
We have formulated this “plan” by trying different things (boxing, self defence, judo, football, drama, dance, music lessons, BMX, art clubs, swimming) literally anything that was available in our area for their age ranges we tried it. Some stuff they didn’t like, some stuff one liked and the other didn’t, some things only my older one could access, some things only the little one could access.
It’s been two years of trial and error with after school clubs/hobby groups and trying to go to the groups around COVID restrictions.
I would encourage you to look up what groups/clubs you have in the area and ask him if he fancies any of them. Go to the trial days and so on, he should get an idea of what hobby gels with him.

Tal45 · 03/01/2021 09:47

I bet the kid reading LOTR in French has a fluent French speaking parent. Your son needs to stop comparing himself with others, there will always be someone cleverer, richer, cooler etc etc

I think trying and giving up hobbies (within reason) is fine. How do you know what you like if you don't try all different things - I think he is extremely lucky to get to try all these things as well of course.

What about making a website about History? Or what about geocaching? What about writing a novel and self publishing on amazon? What about computer programming? Make it clear though it's about enjoying the process and being pleased with the end result YOURSELF even if it's not perfect and not appreciated by millions it's a learning process and you often achieve things without even really noticing or appreciating the fact. Self esteem needs to come from inside too and not just be reliant on others telling you you're great.

He sounds like a fab kid with lots of interests and a very supportive mum, he'll get through this teenage angst and be brilliant I'm sure.

ApolloniaVitelliCorleone · 03/01/2021 09:50

OP my son is now 18 and I get what your saying - my situation was reversed as my son is naturally sporty and can really play any sport you throw at him but this hinders every other aspect of his life.
Sport comes so easily to him that he just gives up with everything else that he can’t just naturally do the minute it’s in front of him.
I jut kept hi-lighting that he was lucky to be talented at sport but trying and failing and having to keep trying at other things is what most people are like with everything!
I think you are all loosing a bit of perspective during lockdown - your son sounds a lovely boy with a keen sense of interest in various fields and you sound like you are doing more than your best to help facilitate them!
Maybe the cycling and chess he would stick at more if he had a friend to do them with so the friend issue is maybe more something you should try help him develop ( I know easier said than done)
It’s a shame his father isn’t helping with anything musical
I realise I haven’t offered any solution but I just wanted to reach out to you as you and your son sound so lovely and I think this is just a really horrible situation to be in - you’re doing more than you think ❤️

Athrawes · 03/01/2021 09:50

Geocaching?

WhySoSensitive · 03/01/2021 09:53

I haven’t read the full thing and I don’t actually have any advice, but I’m 30 and still have days like this. I have no hobbies, talents or am remotely good at anything. When I get ‘me time’ (rare anyways) I literally do nothing but watch tv.
That feeling never went away for me, and I’d never blame my parents for ‘going wrong somewhere’

polkadotpixie · 03/01/2021 09:53

If he likes Gaming what about Pokémon Go? I'm very much like your son and it's the first real hobby I've ever had! It's great for getting out in the fresh air too

MrsMiaWallis · 03/01/2021 09:54

"reefedsail

I am not saying here that feeling 'good' at stuff is essential for a child, but it is what your DS has said he wants so I'll comment.

The thing with kids hobbies is that, to get good at them, they need a parent facilitating. It doesn't just happen and the child doesn't initially know what they have to do to be successful.

You say he plays cricket- have you made sure he's with the best club you can reasonably travel to? Have you talked to the local high performance development coach (or whatever they are called in cricket) about the elite pathway for youth players and what training sessions you can take him to? Has he tried out for the County? Have you signed him up to the best coaching camps in the holidays? Have you found out what training he can do at home and supervised that?

You say he plays the clarinet- have you made sure he's with the best teacher you can reach and has as many lessons as you can possibly pay for? Have you found a Junior Department for him to audition for? Have look looked at the criteria for NYO and aimed him at the auditions for that? Have you written a practise schedule and supervised it?

You say he plays chess- have you taken him to the best chess club you can reach? Have you talked to a chess coach about the chess opportunities for youth players? Have you entered him in junior tournaments? Have you bought books and the best computer programmes and supervised practise?

I'm NOT saying you should do all this stuff- but the tiger parents will, and more. For your DS to feel as though he had a 'talent' (which is a myth, it's just which kid has had the best opportunities and done the most work) this is the sort of thing you would need to do.

It's hard too. My DS is at National Squad level for his sport. It takes up all of our spare resources and time as a whole family. Covid-excepted we travel thousands of miles every year for it and spend thousands of pounds. Being 'good' at a kids' hobby is not for the faint-hearted"

This post made me absolutely cringe.

I knew so, so many parents like this when my dds were young teens (they did sport to a high level). Without exception, by 6th form, their kids had given up. Actually there's one that still does it. One. Out of about 50. I remember those days and those parents with no fondness at all.

movingonup20 · 03/01/2021 09:56

As much as it goes against instincts as a parent, let him play on his laptop. My dd has made so many friends and gained so much confidence online gaming, she now runs something (not clear what) organising her group etc and they do non gaming virtual events etc and plans to visit a couple in the summer. Computers can be their window on the world

tara66 · 03/01/2021 09:59

Don't know where you live or if it's available to you but skiing was a life saver for my son at that age. His school went skiing every day in the season. He wasn't really that keen but it firmed up his character - that and cross country 2 or 3 day expeditions with group of 3 boys alone in all weathers by the school.

Skylor · 03/01/2021 09:59

Btw I too gave up chess and sports etc because i wasnt as good as the other kids. As you grow older you realise that talent does matter in sports and music! I dont think its fear of failure. It's just being sensible. What's the point if I'm not going to be grandmaster or in the first team. So I totally understand how hes feeling.
Cricket... my husband still plays after being first team through school and uni. He's not very good at all (I've watched him since uni) but it's for the social aspects.

RoSEbuds6 · 03/01/2021 10:02

@reefedsail I really appreciated your post, because it does illustrate just what goes on behind the scenes of the children that are 'talented'. Makes me very grateful that my DD isn't sporty.

I'm NOT saying you should do all this stuff- but the tiger parents will, and more. For your DS to feel as though he had a 'talent' (which is a myth, it's just which kid has had the best opportunities and done the most work) this is the sort of thing you would need to do.

@ToffeePennie How does your 3 year old do BMX racing? My DD was 9 before she learned to ride a bike!

Soontobe60 · 03/01/2021 10:02

Could he play chess online?

maddening · 03/01/2021 10:07

If he enjoys debating find an online debating club? One example from a Google search but there seems to be many:
juniorlawyersclub.co.uk/

Also speach and drama is good for confidence.

HerselfIndoors · 03/01/2021 10:08

I understand your DS as I'm a bit like this. I was academically able at school and I want to be good at things straight away. I've learned that it takes time to get good at things and you have to apply yourself bit by bit, but I'm old! It's hard when you're struggling with these things at 13.

Also, it's hard to find your passions when you're so young - that takes time too. So I wouldn't stress too much about him trying things and giving them up, because when he finds what he loves, he will want to keep doing it - and already does that with his history interests. Histopry is a fantastic passion, it just doesn't fall easily into the "hobby" category but maybe there's a way he could try archeology or volunteer at a museum or similar?

My slightly older DS doesn't have "hobbies" that he goes out and does but he reads a lot around his interests and I'm happy about that. He also likes walking, drawing and programming. Ok it's not being on the football team or playing grade 8 violin but he is who he is, and some of these things will help him as an adult.

I'd chat to your DS about it all and explain there's so much more for him to discover and learning to apply himself and not give up is a good idea, but it's also OK to drop things if they're not right for him. Also remind him his history interest is amazing and long-lasting and he's very good at that. Don't press him into new things but you could (when he's feeling more positive and if he agrees) make a list of all kinds of things he might like to try one day, and do some research into what's available near you. Anything, musical instruments, physical activities/sports, art/creative stuff, volunteering, gardening, baking, whatever.

I'm in my 50s and still trying new things and it's a positive thing IMO. I'm learning a new instrument that I love and hope to carry on with indefinitely. I've tried kayaking recently and didn't find I liked that so much - but it was still a fun day out. Whether you stick with something or drop it, it's all experience and helps you get to know yourself better.

Lastly he's 13, probably very hormonal, anxious and worried about adulthood, so explain to him his hormones will sometimes make everything seem overwhelming, but there's always another day and things can feel unbearable and then feel less worrying again.

Musmerian · 03/01/2021 10:09

I think cricket is a tough game emotionally. My youngest is a very talented sportsman and was in the County Team but found the pressure far too great and stepped back. It’s been a really tough year. I’m a secondary English teacher too and see how unsettled the students are. He sounds sensitive, intelligent and thoughtful and it sounds like you are handling it really well. I think it’s great that you’re supportive but also pint out that graft and practice is key to success.

Couchbettato · 03/01/2021 10:09

I'm 25 and have only recently found hobbies really.

And that's only because I fell into the Pinterest trap.

Turns out, I really enjoy lino stamp cutting, but I've got a million other boards with other interests I want to try doing.

Can you try making a mood board with him? Some cheap things, some things that require more investment?

Thisisworsethananticpated · 03/01/2021 10:10

OP this is painful but very normal behaviour
He is clearly a sensitive and intelligent child
Please don’t let a teenage meltdown make you think there is something more seriously wrong
I’m
Not saying to ignore or to minimise
But it also doesn’t mean you are a failure as a parent either

It’s a strange and uncertain time for
Him and the emotions are better Out than in

Ihatefish · 03/01/2021 10:10

If mumsnet had been around when I was your sons age she would probably have written exactly the same post about me (except laptops -these didn’t exist so spent most of my time with my nose buried in books). History was, and still is 30 years later my lifeblood, the way I make sense of the world, discovering ancient wisedoms, the way past societies worked (not the boring “facts” taught in schools but the people, the causes and effects, the role of luck, the hidden side of things). I loved a good conspiracy theory -not because I believed it but it challenged the status quo.

I’m not sure what your sons motives are, but I can fill you in why I acted like that at that age (not sure if it might help to have some benefit of hindsight in this). Quite frankly I found the world boring and frustrating. Kids my own age seemed to be into things I thought superficial and pointless. I was frustrated at myself if I didn’t get something immediately, I found it hard to discuss things with people as I usually could look at things from multiple perspectives and became frustrated about how fixed people’s minds were, I couldn’t understand why people didn’t see things I could see. I was really interested in the occult (which isn’t all devil worship etc -it just means hidden) as it was a different perspective. I liked adult company or my own -tbh it was a lot more interesting than my classmates. A lot of things they did seemed pointless. I loved debating as people had to formulate decent arguments.

For certain reasons I had to grow up and become very independent very early on in childhood -in hindsight I never learned to be a child when I had my son I really had to learn to play.

Has he tried something multifaceted like martial arts or fencing (find a holistic teacher that will be prepared to spend time with your son looking at the spiritual/historical side). Something where you will never really win.

There’s so much pressure to fit in these days I find it really sad. Your son sounds exactly like the sort of person this world needs more of. Independent free thinkers, sensitive but equipped. Let him explore developing this side of himself. Tell him he’s perfect as he is. There’s plenty in the herd, the world needs more people willing to look at the world differently-I truely believe historical knowledge is the way we survive the present and create a better future. It’s tough to be like that as an adolescent- but so freeing as an adult. If he likes history, he might want to look into the 18th and 19th century philosophers, early 20th century /late 19th century psychologists like Jung. The occult Elizabethan court i found fascinating at that age.reassure him that once he finds his people possibly as university (or before but maybe adults) the world won’t seem as frustrating

ToffeePennie · 03/01/2021 10:15

@RoSEbuds6 he’s actually at the recommended age for starting - at 3 they use a balance bike to travel around a flat track, to scoot up and down the junior track, freewheeling down berms. He can balance really well on it now, so we are working on building him up to a pedal bike so he can race on the bigger tracks, but right now he’s baby/junior level. He races against other 3/4 year olds and my 6 year old is in the 7 year old and under division. They’re both doing pretty good for their ages.

daisypond · 03/01/2021 10:16

@ToffeePennie

I have a 3 year old boy and a 6 year old boy. When covid isn’t around; My 3 year old does football on Saturdays, before both boys go and do BMX racing. My biggest does swimming Tuesdays, Beavers and BMX Thursdays and Dance on Fridays. He used to do Football but we decided it wasn’t for him. My little one attends a drama group on Mondays and Wednesdays, Football Saturday mornings, Diddi Dance on Tuesday and sometimes has extra rehearsals on Sunday's. We have formulated this “plan” by trying different things (boxing, self defence, judo, football, drama, dance, music lessons, BMX, art clubs, swimming) literally anything that was available in our area for their age ranges we tried it. Some stuff they didn’t like, some stuff one liked and the other didn’t, some things only my older one could access, some things only the little one could access. It’s been two years of trial and error with after school clubs/hobby groups and trying to go to the groups around COVID restrictions. I would encourage you to look up what groups/clubs you have in the area and ask him if he fancies any of them. Go to the trial days and so on, he should get an idea of what hobby gels with him.
It’s irrelevant what a three year old and six year old do. Teenagers are completely different. My children did lots of activities as children. By the time they were teenagers, one had given them all up - she was “no good at them”, not helped by not being particularly good at school either. Another focused on one hobby, gave up everything else for it, and is now a professional in it. I think the advice about developing a growth mindset is spot on. Could you pick something new to do together at home? Something neither of you have done - origami, macrame, knitting?