Bloody joggers

[Credenhill22]

I've had enough of them.
Today I was going to pick my daughter up and these idiots are all over the road.
The sun was very low today and it was very hard too see the road.
I swear I nearly knocked 2 idiots down who were running on the road.
I get people need to get out and keep fit but keep to the bloody pavements and if the pavement is too icy then bloody stay at home and stop putting road users at risk.
I mean can you imagine the hassle a driver would be put through if we ran over one of these selfish idiots...either stay on the pavements or stay indoors..

Gum near me,in same road as entrance to train station,very busy bus stop..very busy in the mornings yet people from gym run past all the commuters blocking the path, so I walked deliberately slowly and don’t move out their way so they have run into the road ...

It's up to both car user and pedestrian to be careful of the situation around them. The Highway Code does state a pedestrian should use a pavement if there is one rather than the road but if there isn't they will have to use the road.
There are more users on roads now and I do think it's great people are keeping fit, I'm a driver only (don't cycle or run) but seeing them on the roads doesn't bother me, if I hit them it'll be my fault so I'm more cautious.

@CakeRequired

"All this 'you couldn't be driving if you can't see the road' is ridiculous"

Jesus Christ, THIS is why so many people are killed on the roads. Please don't tell me you own a car?

That really just makes you sound stupid. She said she was driving, so she owns a car. Was that not obvious or something?

And what do you do if there is glare on the road from the sun and rain? Just stop dead and refuse to move until the sun goes away?

She carried on driving slower, which is what you should do. People are killed on roads more often by fast drivers or drunk drivers, not drivers crawling along because of sun glare.

I was hoping they might be more of an occasional driver if I'm honest.

I'll state for the record because it's obviously unclear to you and to OP, you SHOULD NOT be driving if you can't see. You should be fully prepared (clear windscreen, glasses with anti glare coating, sun visor which can be positioned correctly, even a hand to cover the low sun temporarily) and slow down to a speed where you can react and not hurt anything you might hit and yes, if you genuinely cannot see you need to correct something and you should pull over safely until you can. If you carry on driving crossing your fingers that the invisible void in front of you isn't filled by a vulnerable road user or even another car, then you're a dangerous menace and you need your license taken away BEFORE you kill or injure someone, not after.

@LolaSmiles
@bigpricklyfern
@BrokenCrown

Fellow runner here and notice how intolerant MN and people in RL are to runners. After reading on MN how allegedly inconsiderate I am for breathing the same air as people going out for walks, I am really aware of not getting close to other pedestrians.
Lots of people walk 4 abreast (with or without a dog) on the pavement and either dont see me (because obviously I am speeding along faster than the speed of light ) or dont feel the need to move into single file or 2 abreast.
Also I run in the road to avoid small children on scooters or bikes (who obviously I would not expect to use the road) ditto prams etc
For those (who presumably dont run) advocating we should confine ourselves to fields, woods , footpaths etc. I love running off road but in good, dry weather these are also busy with other walkers, bikes, small children and dogs who also enjoy the outdoors.(and they also usually not lit, so limited in the winter what time you can go)
After the weather weve had recently a lot of fields and footpaths are incredibly boggy and not easily runnable without trail shoes. During the first lockdown I actually chose to run boring suburban routes rather than fields and footpaths as the latter were much busier.
The problem is we are all sharing spaces with people who might normally be swimming, playing football, at the cinema, out shopping, soft play, at the gym etc and everyone needs to be considerate.
Weirdly enough I'm part of a runners group on facebook and even they whinge about other runners!

Lol Randomer your jape was too skilled!

Is this just not the sort of basic stuff thars covered in the driving test though? Dangers of low sun, liklihood of other road users doing unexpected things in the road in built up areas?

The OP's grandiose expectations remind me of a charmer who nearly hit me while driving at speed into the car park of a local shop. It was such a near miss that i asked him to drive more carefully when I saw him in the shop. His response was to shout at me and say I should be wearing hi viz. To walk across a small car park. Mine was to say I didnt tolerate pyschopaths and report him to the police.

.very busy in the mornings yet people from gym run past all the commuters blocking the path, so I walked deliberately slowly and don’t move out their way so they have run into the road

Thing is the endorphins swirling around inside the runners will negate your nastyness so it’ll be wasted

Fizbosshoes
There's a contingent on here who aren't just intolerant of runners; they're intolerant of anyone who exercises.

They will whine about runners on the pavement, whine about them in the park, whine about them breathing, whine about them running on trails when they want to go for a family walk because now the trails (that trail runners have used regularly for years and are ordinarily empty) are apparently full of runners who ruin family walks, whine about cyclists on the road, whine about cyclists on cycle tracks, whine if a cyclist isn't doing the speed they think they should (hint, whatever speed the cyclist does is wrong), whine if they have to do one safe overtake instead of being able to squeeze unsafely past people riding two abreast, they whine if they have to drop their speed on a very important car journey, whine if told to drive in a manner that's appropriate for the condition. It's an overall attitude to exercise that is bizarre.

Despite this thread being about running on roads, a handful of people also had to get in pathetic comments about the appearance of people wearing exercise clothing (because apparently wearing lycra to cycle is an offence to the whole world, but wandering around town in leggings/yoga pants and a stretchy form fitting top isn't 🙄). As yet nobody on here has explained to me why making horrible comments about cyclists bodies in lycra is acceptable, but they'd never dream of making horrible comments about a women's running group wearing running tights, despite the attire being fairly similar.

@LolaSmiles There must be a name for this type of exercise phobia

@Quirrelsotherface

You sound as moronic as the 'joggers', they also have little or no hearing as of course the outfit requires the inevitable music to perform to. Were a driver to decide to use the pavements there'd be an outcry, although those other performers, the lycra Mafia, seem to consider it their territory.

Jesus, were you frothing at the mouth when you wrote this? Another one who need to get out and excercise no doubt.

Not at all lovey, anyone using the roads yet deliberately obscuring one of their senses needed for road safety is an idiot, if the cap fits........

Just returned from a run where most people smiled and said hello but one family tutted when I said “excuse me please”. Family of 4 all across the whole path. I’m not sure why a family walk trumps someone running.

Maybe all the haters should just let it all out as they clearly need to vent.

It is a sad indictment of who we are these days that blocking runners and knocking people over in the car park just for the sake of it is an acceptable way of behaving. It is as if everyone is about 6 years old.

What is wrong with everyone?

Thing is the endorphins swirling around inside the runners will negate your nastyness so it’ll be wasted grin

This 100%

@nicebreeze you must be the epitome of a perfect driver then, never going mot even 1 mph over the limit, will not drive if its gale force winds, always stop before the white line at lights, junctions and if on the motorway always drive on the left unless overtaking

[quote cyclingmad]@nicebreeze you must be the epitome of a perfect driver then, never going mot even 1 mph over the limit, will not drive if its gale force winds, always stop before the white line at lights, junctions and if on the motorway always drive on the left unless overtaking[/quote]
Shouldn't that be normal rather than something to snark about?

Family of 4 all across the whole path. I’m not sure why a family walk trumps someone running.

Aagh the families who take up the ENTIRE width of the path and don't even make the slightest effort to make room for anyone they can obviously see coming. Absolutely bovine.

ivykaty44 if there isn't, there should be.

Some posters on here have such an irrational hatred for people who exercise that it's actually quite concerning.

Who seriously sees people in exercise clothing for their sport and then comes online to bitch about strangers' bodies? It's odd.

[quote cyclingmad]@nicebreeze you must be the epitome of a perfect driver then, never going mot even 1 mph over the limit, will not drive if its gale force winds, always stop before the white line at lights, junctions and if on the motorway always drive on the left unless overtaking[/quote]
Errrr.... are you accusing me of driving safely and legally?

@nicebreeze I'm saying you better do it every single time, low lying glare from sun can happen if your driving long distance and maybe yo using have sunglasses in the car at the time and yes you obviously adapt and slow down but its not everyday you expect to see people running the road unless you live in an area your used to seeing it.

Since you keep needling the point so much, then I expect you never to have had an an accident, a fine or even a near miss. That you drive perfect every single second of your journey.

[quote cyclingmad]@nicebreeze I'm saying you better do it every single time, low lying glare from sun can happen if your driving long distance and maybe yo using have sunglasses in the car at the time and yes you obviously adapt and slow down but its not everyday you expect to see people running the road unless you live in an area your used to seeing it.

Since you keep needling the point so much, then I expect you never to have had an an accident, a fine or even a near miss. That you drive perfect every single second of your journey.[/quote]
I'm not a perfect driver by any stretch of the imagination. But I consider myself to be aware of possible risks most of the time. I've never had an accident, no. I e been involved in two near misses, both with other drivers paying fuck all attention and I've had to take evasive action.

I think the fact you equate going 1 mph over the speed limit with driving along when you're effectively blind says a lot about your assessment of your responsibilities to other road users

@cyclingmad

yes you obviously adapt and slow down but its not everyday you expect to see people running the road unless you live in an area your used to seeing it

When you're driving safely, what you expect has no relevance. You are alert enough to respond to what is.

When you're driving safely, what you expect has no relevance. You are alert enough to respond to what is.
This 100%.

I do find the 'so you better be a perfect driver's arguments to be amusing. It's a bit like when people object to parents allowing their children to run around cafes and shops screaming and people say 'I hope you're a perfect parent'. They think it's some amazing argument when all it does is make them look silly.

Nobody has to be a perfect driver to say that drivers should drive in a way that is appropriate for the conditions.

The fact this is even up for debate probably tells us why there's such an arrogant mindset in some drivers:
"I couldn't help knocking a horse and rider off... I wasn't expecting them round the corner"
"It's not my fault that I hit a pedestrian. I didn't expect them to cross the zebra crossing."
"It's not my fault I hit a motorbike. How I was I to know I should have checked my mirrors before turning? I didn't expect them to be on the road"
"I didn't expect to see someone walking on the pavement when I reversed out of my drive".
"It's not my fault I hit a cyclist. I wasn't expecting them to be on the road and continue riding in a perfectly legal and safe way whilst I decided to do a dangerous overtake. I just assumed that when I did a dangerous overtake they would magically find somewhere else to cycle,because they should not be on the road".

Don't worry 80% will have stopped in 2 weeks. Every January it's the same.

@AliceAbsolum

Don't worry 80% will have stopped in 2 weeks. Every January it's the same.

Good point!

Get very fed up of lazy drivers parking on the pavement so they can get as close to the chip shop as possible. What are runners supposed to do, climb over the top of the car?

YABU, OP and I suspect your reaction is because you know you were in the wrong, driving whilst you couldn't see. Utterly negligent.

Get very fed up of lazy drivers parking on the pavement so they can get as close to the chip shop as possible. What are runners supposed to do, climb over the top of the car

And yet it's funny that 'bloody drivers' are not classed as a homogenous group like 'bloody runners'. I suspect that those who criticise runners are not runners, but have a niggly voice inside that tells them they probably ought to run, sometimes.