To decide my husband and his sister are nuts?

[Rosebel]

SIL phones today (before BJ announcement) and says how nice it would be to go away as a family once Covid is under control.
My husband agrees with her and then they proceed to discuss going away in April next year. My SIL says she'll look for some deals online.
When my husband tells me this I said they're mad. I'd love to think everything will be normal by April but isn't it unrealistic? I told him he'd better make sure if she books something we're guaranteed a refund if we can't go. He got moody saying I'm being miserable for not wanting to go on holiday and that with the new vaccine of course things will be normal.
I text my SIL (as my husband obviously wasn't going to) saying lovely idea but make sure we can get a refund just incase. She hasn't replied two hours later so she's probably on a mood too.
Surely it's really unreasonable to plan anything for 2021 yet?
YABU it's fine to plan a holiday
YANBU don't plan anything yet

They're not thinking it through I'm afraid. I say this as someone with a UK break booked for April having cancelled it last April and again in November. I fully expect it to be cancelled again. YANBU.

I wouldn’t dream of booking anywhere I couldn’t get a refund from. Shouldn’t count chickens before they’re hatched in my view. I’d be paying by credit card for extra security too.

Even with the vaccine, you can still spread it, and while the UK is now vaccinating, many countries are not yet. Stupid to plan a holiday.

@SilverBirchWithout

As long as you have adequate Covid insurance, I can’t see why you wouldn’t make a holiday booking. Although I’d personally not want to go an plane until things are better under control. We had an Airbnb booking for a holiday cottage in November - it was refunded immediately when tiers were announced. We’ve got tickets booked for the Malvern show in May - fully refundable if there are issues.

There are very very few travel insurance policies which are covering covid as its a known thing.

OP book a package deal with a reputable company if you want to go(Martins money has a list of the ones which were terrible at giving refunds) and do your research on trust pilot etc.

We had our ski holiday cancelled in March despite the company offering package holidays they refused to refund us only offering half! It took 5 months to get a refund via our credit card company for a considerable amount of money.

We definitely won't be booking anytime soon and if we do it will be booked a few days before so we can check the numbers and liklihood of ending up on a quarantine list!

@dreaming174

Even with the vaccine, you can still spread it, and while the UK is now vaccinating, many countries are not yet. Stupid to plan a holiday.

This isn’t actually known yet (if people can still spread after having the vaccine), it’s something that will become clear in time.

I think it’s fine to plan a holiday as long as you can get your money refunded if it’s cancelled and as long as you are aware that if you do go some restrictions maybe in place (mask wearing, things closed).

I can see both sides. It’s nice to have a plan in place as long as you can get refunds or rebook if the situation hasn’t changed. So YANBU.

That said, I booked a cruise in late 2019 for November this year. I spent a few hours yesterday looking up cruises for summer 2022 because I don’t have confidence that the situation will have improved enough to go and even if it has, I’m not sure I want to be on a ship with thousands of other people. I’m not convinced we’ll be able to have the holiday we expected if we go this year and worry might end up stuck on board if there’s an outbreak somewhere (with 2 kids in a windowless cabin). We can change our holiday without any fees so that’s what we’ll be doing.

we've booked a holiday in Newquay for July which we can cancel with no penalty up to 30th June, We were lucky to be able to cancel last July's holiday and get a full refund

YANBU It’s very optimistic. I’ve also been holiday (window) shopping, but as someone that shielded I’m not expecting to be vaccinated until summer, especially now there is 12 weeks between the two doses. I’d plan it for July onwards instead, when numbers would have dropped for the summer.

No idea whether it will be possible in April, so I would say your line is exactly right. Book anything you like as long as it's refundable. It will be nice to have something to look forward to, but not nice to be worrying about flushing money down the drain.

I hope they mean April 2022!
I don't think household will be able to mix in all areas of the country by then.
I had a similar argument with DH last week, he wants to book a summer holiday in this country. He found a lovely house. I asked him to check the t & c's to see if we would be refunded if it got cancelled. He became huffy and called me miserable!
I know people who had holidays in this country this year that were cancelled, they weren't offered a refund, just an alternative date, which isn't always convenient.

Think it will be much later in the year before holidays abroad will be possible again. Tell your husband todo his maths. The online COVID calculator for vaccinations may help him be more realistic.

Madness! He is luckyto have you to talk some sense into him.

I have a UK break booked for April at a friends holiday cottage. Its fully refundable. I'm not prepared to sit on my hands for the next 2 years + so I definitely don't think cautiously planning a holiday is unreasonable.

I've just booked 10 days in the Caribbean in March for us and baby. Have Covid insurance in case we can't go.

Sorry but wishful thinking won't change things. The whole world needs to be vaccinated. Mutation, antibodies and stuff we can't predict. We will beat it but it will be a few years. By all means book a holiday but only with covid guarantee

It's fine to make plans, as long as they're refundable and everyone is fully aware there might be last minute changes!

SILs can be very territorial... she won’t have liked you saying no. Stand up to her pressure I say!

@Ddot the whole world doesn't need to be vaccinated. Once the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated then for the rest of us it's like an unpleasant flu with somewhat higher chances than flu of long term illness and very small possibility of death.
I'm happy to take my chances to travel in that scenario as soon as I am allowed.

Stay in a cottage/ house in the UK, book direct and make sure they have a good cancellation policy. We offer full refund if guests can’t travel due to Covid. All our houses are secluded and in a stunning part of Perthshire 😊

I think youre right.Absolutely no way things will be back to normal.As i told my daughter..who has just booked to go to Turkey in March.

I think with mass testing and the vaccine being rolled out things will be better by April .
But holiday in April your right to check for refunds to be sure .
Your dh is unreasonable !!

Just an aside...if they're planning on an EU trip factor in passports and whether they'll need to be updated before you go with the rule changes. Whilst travel may be more relaxed by April in an optimistic viewpoint the Passport office won't be any quicker than normal and the Brexit rule changes have probably increased their projected workload for the next few months.

YANBU for asking them to be sensible about how they book and making sure there's no chance you'll lose money. No one can predict what the next 6 months will look like (I'm hoping better but wouldn't bet any money on it).

Yes they are nuts.
The vaccine is infecting people. See pics posted.
To be so confident in fallible humans? Nope 👎🏼

Do you mean abroad by plane? If so I agree about checking fir refunds but also agree it would be nice to have something booked.

We’ve got three nights in a campsite in the lake district booked in April. I’m still hopeful. I don’t think things will be “normal” but If it’s anything like July to October 2020 we’ll be ok to go.

If you wanted too you could go on holiday tomorrow. It might not be advised and there are various issues surrounding it but you could.