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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To decide my husband and his sister are nuts?

178 replies

Rosebel · 31/12/2020 00:10

SIL phones today (before BJ announcement) and says how nice it would be to go away as a family once Covid is under control.
My husband agrees with her and then they proceed to discuss going away in April next year. My SIL says she'll look for some deals online.
When my husband tells me this I said they're mad. I'd love to think everything will be normal by April but isn't it unrealistic? I told him he'd better make sure if she books something we're guaranteed a refund if we can't go. He got moody saying I'm being miserable for not wanting to go on holiday and that with the new vaccine of course things will be normal.
I text my SIL (as my husband obviously wasn't going to) saying lovely idea but make sure we can get a refund just incase. She hasn't replied two hours later so she's probably on a mood too.
Surely it's really unreasonable to plan anything for 2021 yet?
YABU it's fine to plan a holiday
YANBU don't plan anything yet

OP posts:
Unsure33 · 31/12/2020 12:06

its not just about the vaccine is it ? If you are going abroad will that country have vaccinated their population ?

Will they just accept tourists with a negative test but then you risk catching it while abroad ?

will their hospitals be able to cope ? Will your insurance cover the hospital stay ?

I must admit I looked at sept next year but covid restrictions just take the fun and spontaneity out of a holiday so decided not to even look any more .

Hobbesmanc · 31/12/2020 12:19

All booked for June- there isn't a lot of flight availability for half term (although presumably this will increase as airlines get more confident) and it wasn't cheap. Covid cancellation coverage so its something nice to look forward to.

I'd let them plan if its refundable. June looks realistic to me. Remember we don't all need to have had the vaccine. Plenty of people holidayed abroad this summer

saraclara · 31/12/2020 13:14

Nothing wrong with booking a refundable holiday now. Once things do open up a bit, there'll be such a rush that it will be impossible to find anything.

The emphasis should of course be on the 'refundable' bit of that.

mvmvmvmv · 31/12/2020 14:40

@LouiseTrees that's really interesting that it would take 4 years at the current rate!! Wow!! Are you able to share any of his workings at all? I have had a quick look to try to recreate the calculation myself but couldn't find the information needed. Would love to check this myself as lots of friends and family think things will be back to normal by Feb/March and I think they are deluded but I don't have sufficient info to reply in a factual but polite way.

Themostwonderfultimeoftheyear · 31/12/2020 15:45

The restrictions are in place not to eradicate Covid but to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed. Both AstraZeneca and the government seem confident that the most vulnerable will have had their first dose by spring at which point hospitalizations should fall rapidly and restrictions should be lifted. April may be too soon but summer should be safe as long as you aren't expecting Covid gone.

LouiseTrees · 31/12/2020 15:45

[quote mvmvmvmv]@LouiseTrees that's really interesting that it would take 4 years at the current rate!! Wow!! Are you able to share any of his workings at all? I have had a quick look to try to recreate the calculation myself but couldn't find the information needed. Would love to check this myself as lots of friends and family think things will be back to normal by Feb/March and I think they are deluded but I don't have sufficient info to reply in a factual but polite way. [/quote]
I was going to post that I’d ask him but then I found this article. More bleak www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9060145/amp/Current-vaccination-speed-UK-decade-coronavirus-jabs-everyone.html

LouiseTrees · 31/12/2020 15:46

Anyway I will still ask him.

NameChangeforArmageddon21 · 31/12/2020 16:27

Working in the NHS, our ward manager doesn't think we'll be back to "normal" until 2022, without the need for periodic lockdowns, and even then she doesn't think we will ever work without masks again. She's had some pretty high up meetings and that seems to be the general consensus.

Anothermother3 · 31/12/2020 16:35

I’m looking to book a camping trip in summer I figure that should be a safe bet. Anything beyond that I’m not getting my hopes up

Themostwonderfultimeoftheyear · 31/12/2020 16:43

@NameChangeforArmageddon21

Working in the NHS, our ward manager doesn't think we'll be back to "normal" until 2022, without the need for periodic lockdowns, and even then she doesn't think we will ever work without masks again. She's had some pretty high up meetings and that seems to be the general consensus.
I am so confused by posts like this, there must be something I am missing.

My understanding is that the point of restrictions is to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed not to eradicate Covid which is now endemic.

I also understand the vast majority of deaths and hospitalizations are in those over 65/otherwise vulnerable.

AstraZeneca and the government seem confident that the vulnerable population can be given their first dose by the end of spring and this will prevent almost all hospitalizations in that group.

I understand that delays may happen but I believe the government and the NHS will throw everything they can at this and that vaccination will be a priority. I also understand that there is a small chance a vaccine resistant strain could emerge but that isn't likely.

So if the group making up the vast majority of hospitalizations are vaccinated by the end of spring and hospitals start to quieten down why is that people aren't confident that most restrictions will be reduced by summer?

I realise masks, hand hygiene and social distancing from strangers may persist long term but why won't shops, restaurants, hotels etc be open again and why won't people be able to see family and friends?

I am not asking this in a goady way but in a genuine can someone please explain it to me. If the plan was eradication I would understand but it has always been about not overwhelming the NHS.

FindHungrySamurai · 31/12/2020 16:45

I was firmly planning to go on holiday abroad in the spring and I felt that was realistic until this new strain started blasting through southern England. Now planning on July at the very earliest which is annoying because it’s the wrong weather for where I want to go.

One thing that’s baffling me is whether countries will be happy to let unvaccinated children in.

shallbe · 31/12/2020 16:56

One thing that’s baffling me is whether countries will be happy to let unvaccinated children in.

I'm hoping most countries will accept a negative Covid test, I think some countries won't have a choice as they would be crippled delaying their tourism for another summer.

tttigress · 31/12/2020 17:01

Hopefully things will be returning to normal in April, realistically we just need to vaccinate all those over 70.

Emeraldshamrock · 31/12/2020 17:07

We had a holiday booked for July 21 we booked May believing this would be well over.
It was booked through a UK company they couldn't honor it due to Brexit so offered to sell it to an Irish company or refund.
I was willing to lose the €600 by not going delighted it was refunded.
Mind you celebs are jetting off with no issues.
I'm sure you would be able to go not sure how safe or entertaining it would be.

MrsClatterbuck · 31/12/2020 18:07

Was speaking to a nurse friend. She reckons not until after the summer and that's being optimistic.

peboh · 31/12/2020 19:02

@NameChangeforArmageddon21

Working in the NHS, our ward manager doesn't think we'll be back to "normal" until 2022, without the need for periodic lockdowns, and even then she doesn't think we will ever work without masks again. She's had some pretty high up meetings and that seems to be the general consensus.
I'm struggling with this. That doesn't seem to be the general consensus across the whole of the nhs. My mum who works in our local hospital has been told that they're expecting the people needing to be hospitalised to rapidly decrease come spring time due to the vaccinations of the elderly and vulnerable . I don't think it's wise for any body to come out saying things like this until there's a United front across the whole of the nhs.
Cornishclio · 31/12/2020 19:20

We have accommodation booked for end of February to visit family (rearranged from November) holiday cottage booked in the UK for April (not sure if that will go ahead) , a Centre Parcs family trip for June and overseas trip for September both rearranged from this year. I am not sure I would book anything new though but provided there is provision for cancelling I cannot see the issue. It is nice to have something to look forward to.

sadcatdiary · 31/12/2020 21:16

They're daft.

MustardMitt · 31/12/2020 21:19

It might be unrealistic but doesn’t everyone like to have a browse now and then?

Rosebel · 31/12/2020 21:26

It's really difficult. I do want to go on holiday but my daughter has asthma, as do SILs children and as I work with the public it seems risky.
Also I'd like things to be open for the children's sake. Nothing more has been said but I'd rather book for later in the year or even 2022. Just hope they listen about the refund.

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shinynewapple2020 · 31/12/2020 21:49

I don't think they will wait for the whole country to be vaccinated before they start opening up for travel again .

We've got a holiday abroad booked first week in June (moved from 2020) and I'm half hopeful we'll be able to travel then although we may be unstuck by quarantine . For April, hopefully we'll be able to move around the UK again but I doubt you'll be able to go abroad , certainly without quarantine .

Make sure there's a good cancellation policy and insurance.

Shadeslayer · 31/12/2020 21:58

I've booked a self catering cottage in March I'm aware it might not go ahead but my son wants to go (been before) for his birthday so I've took the chance. He's old enough to know it might not go ahead and I've made sure we will be refunded if it's cancelled.

I wouldn't book anything touristy for this year even if we are allowed to go I wouldn't fancy the crowds.

JammyGem · 31/12/2020 23:48

As someone who worked in the travel industry up until a couple months ago, they'd be mad to book anything for April, and downright stupid to book anything you can't get a refund on.

SpiderinaWingMirror · 31/12/2020 23:54

I think they are proper bonkers.

LEELULUMPKIN · 01/01/2021 00:20

Well I went to the Caribbean in October and was hoping to go again at the end of March. Now we are in tier 4 though I am doubtful it will happen.

We have booked for a month in Florida in Aug/Sept in the hope that things will be opening up.

If not we will just move the dates.

Nothing wrong with having something to look forward to!