Emotional abuse in Harry Potter

[MrsRogerLima]

Don't get me wrong, I love Harry Potter but I never thought about the Ron/Hermione thing this way before and she is SO RIGHT.

AIBU to think this is irresponsible in children's literature?

www.bustle.com/articles/198364-ron-hermiones-relationship-in-harry-potter-wasnt-just-disappointing-but-dangerous

@TheBuffster

I love Fred too. Someone on here described him as a psychopath. I don't get it. Ok, maybe the track record with Dudley and Filch is a bit poor.

What brought that one on?

For me the twins were just too damn tall.
And I quote "STOCKY" they should be stocky.
Also Ron's too short and his nose is too short.
Ok now I'm just nitpicking.
The only well chosen actor I think is Luna.

Everyone knows they were eye-wateringly ill-prepared for the serious roles of Fred and George Weasley casting the kids in that film must have been such a ball ache, they were always going to be knocked into a cocked hat by the likes of Imelda Staunton, Robbie Coltrane, Julie Walters, Alan Rickman et al.

@TheBuffster

For me the twins were just too damn tall. And I quote "STOCKY" they should be stocky. Also Ron's too short and his nose is too short. Ok now I'm just nitpicking. The only well chosen actor I think is Luna.

Hermione doesn't look right either.

I think Draco is good though.

Considering she was like a schoolgirl chosen, Luna is fab.

Remember this was set back in the 90’s, I grew up in the 90’s and we all know times have defo changed. Back then people didn’t overthink things. I think Ron was a typical lad, he liked her from the start but was to proud to say so. You see a definite change come the 7th movie. Most of how Ron acted was how most of the lads at my school were.

All books are written in the context of their time and Harry Potter was written starting in the early 1990s. I doubt anyone of us had ever heard of LGBTQ+ in 1997. Well, we'd heard of LGB and there was still a huge stigma.

The fact we're having this conversation is a sign of how far we've come for the better.

I always have it in my mind that JKR wrote the way she did to show that Hermione did deserve better and there was a moral in there that you shouldn't make your friends cry and emotionally abuse your wife. The whole series is full of skewed morals in a way. Harry did have some Slytherin in him after all.

I do remember reading CoS and crying when Lockhart said that he stole work from a witch because she had a 'heirlip'. A term which definitely WAS offensive in 1998. It has been changed now, and again I think it was written to show how repugnant Lockhart was as a character that he was so prejudice.

@Ltdannygreen

Remember this was set back in the 90’s, I grew up in the 90’s and we all know times have defo changed. Back then people didn’t overthink things. I think Ron was a typical lad, he liked her from the start but was to proud to say so. You see a definite change come the 7th movie. Most of how Ron acted was how most of the lads at my school were.

Ah so I wasn't an ugly know it all skank. All the boys fancied me. I always thought so.

@TheBuffster

Hermione does give as good as she gets to the boys though.

Yeah Tom Felton nailed it.
'Potter'

@TheBuffster

For me the twins were just too damn tall. And I quote "STOCKY" they should be stocky. Also Ron's too short and his nose is too short. Ok now I'm just nitpicking. The only well chosen actor I think is Luna.

Considering Tom Cruise was considered acceptable to play Jack Reacher, I don't think the HP variations from the books to the cast were that significant.

Plus I really really love the twins and think they fit their role well. I'm no movie critic though.

However if we are talking relationships.. the most fucked up one is Dumbledore and Harry. Even the Dursley's abuse pales somewhat in comparison to that.

I love JKR and think she is a great writer. What is interesting though in the context of this discussion (and I LOVE HP) is that in the Strike books, which again I think are fantastic, Strike is consistently an absolute bastard to Robin - and yet it's clearly a love story in which we are meant to want them to be together. She forgives him when he is occasionally nice to her, and (in my experience) we the readers do too. But I thought for quite a large part of Troubled Blood that taking a step back he is, in the whole, awful to her. Won't say more as don't want to give anything away for those who haven't read.

Maybe that's how JKR likes to write her love stories? Or maybe it reflects a little of her view of love? Who knows!

@MoodyMarshall

Everyone knows they were eye-wateringly ill-prepared for the serious roles of Fred and George Weasley casting the kids in that film must have been such a ball ache, they were always going to be knocked into a cocked hat by the likes of Imelda Staunton, Robbie Coltrane, Julie Walters, Alan Rickman et al.

I preferred them to Daniel scrunchy indignant Radcliffe.

@AccidentallyOnPurpose

Oh I know. If only for that painstaking section where Daniel does his wounded bit.

No problem @Wheresmykimchi I have no such excuse sadly, can`t get Baileys here. The various berry ciders are good though.

@TheBuffster

Yeah Tom Felton nailed it. 'Potter'

Oh and his dad

Must be a weasley

@PoleToPole

No problem *@Wheresmykimchi* I have no such excuse sadly, can`t get Baileys here. The various berry ciders are good though.

Can't. Get . Bailey's

Yeah who saw the morally ambiguous swerve that was dumbledore coming?

@TheBuffster

Yeah who saw the morally ambiguous swerve that was dumbledore coming?

He sacrificed himself too though.. not all bad.

He sacrificed himself too though.. not all bad.

That's easy to do though when you're old and famous and the greatest wizard alive, and already lived your life,made your massive mistakes ,paid for them and in the end you are rather tired of it all.

Plus it wasn't a given that he'd get fatally poisoned which is why he goes to Snape.

The redeeming thing about his death is not the "sacrifice", it's that he bullies Snape into preventing Draco from becoming a murderer and (possibly) completely changing his path.

Yeah I have such a soft spot for Dumbledore carrying around the guilt of killing his sister all his life.
This is why JK is a genius. All characters are shades of grey.

Sadly no Baileys, I havent had it in years, mores the pity.

I did think Luna was brilliant, and I always really liked Lucius Malfoy, both actor and character. DH is horrified - he is of the staunchly side with the Order of the Phoenix.

@AccidentallyOnPurpose

He sacrificed himself too though.. not all bad.

That's easy to do though when you're old and famous and the greatest wizard alive, and already lived your life,made your massive mistakes ,paid for them and in the end you are rather tired of it all.

Plus it wasn't a given that he'd get fatally poisoned which is why he goes to Snape.

The redeeming thing about his death is not the "sacrifice", it's that he bullies Snape into preventing Draco from becoming a murderer and (possibly) completely changing his path.

And by doing so...seals Snape's death

Always😪😥

@PoleToPole

Sadly no Baileys, I haven`t had it in years, more`s the pity.

I did think Luna was brilliant, and I always really liked Lucius Malfoy, both actor and character. DH is horrified - he is of the staunchly side with the Order of the Phoenix.

That's why you can read threads properly pu

Yes I'm definitely more villain than hero.pretty much all of the young clan irritate me. Especially Cho chang .

@TheBuffster

Yeah I have such a soft spot for Dumbledore carrying around the guilt of killing his sister all his life. This is why JK is a genius. All characters are shades of grey.

I think that's a major reason why they are so loved,relatable and still relevant now.