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Is it a British thing to think that bragging about your ‘advanced’ child is crass?

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Anon778833 · 26/12/2020 18:27

You get people who say nothing about their child’s achievements. And then suddenly at 18, oh it turns out he’s oxbridge material. So they literally act like they knew nothing about it!

Then on the other end of the scale are people who brag about how many words their 1 year old has. But I think the U.K. has less of these! Thoughts?

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Chuckleknuckles · 26/12/2020 20:15

I shamelessly brag about the fact that my 7 year olds sleeps through the night and doesn’t get up until 7.45. Does that count?
Is she bright. Academically I am pretty sure she’s fairly average or just above which is good enough for me. That’s why I’m paying London day school fees though. Connections, connections, connections in this country.
I’m not British.

iceywarm · 26/12/2020 20:16

I suspect that the teacher knows the child is 'getting high-level tuition at home' and doesn't really want to encourage the parent to push any further than they already are.

Tall poppy syndrome in action then! The kid loves maths, the parent loves maths, they do maths problems at home for fun all the time. Why the hell would any decent teacher want to discourage that?!

jessstan1 · 26/12/2020 20:18

@TragedyHands

Once you get on the truly gifted you keep quiet as it can be a double edged saw. Sometimes what they gain in one area means they struggle in another.
That is very true and parents of gifted children are only too well aware of it. School can be very difficult indeed for the truly gifted who often feel quite misunderstood and, at times, exploited.
whataboutbob · 26/12/2020 20:18

“Connections connections connections in this country”. Unlike say Spain, North Africa, the Middle East, the Far East or just about anywhere else you can name then 🤔

Hardbackwriter · 26/12/2020 20:19

Some kids genuinely don’t turn out to be Oxbridge material until they get into the sixth form. Others it’s more obvious from the get go.

Of all the bright kids in the UK, you’d don’t know which ones will actually want to knuckle down and put in the graft to get into and indeed enjoy being at Oxbridge.

Going to Oxbridge also isn't some cast iron proof of being amazingly clever - most of the kids who get interviewed could go there, and they go on to do well at other very good universities. There are some absolute idiots who get in. I think there's some sort of myth that going to Oxbridge means you're a genius and that you'll be set up for life and neither is true - between the two of them about 7000 people graduate from Oxbridge each year and most of them will do quite well but they also mostly won't set the world alight or indeed even come across as anything that special in a dinner party conversation.

Hardbackwriter · 26/12/2020 20:22

@iceywarm

I suspect that the teacher knows the child is 'getting high-level tuition at home' and doesn't really want to encourage the parent to push any further than they already are.

Tall poppy syndrome in action then! The kid loves maths, the parent loves maths, they do maths problems at home for fun all the time. Why the hell would any decent teacher want to discourage that?!

Because the teacher probably thinks that the mathematician parent giving their primary age child intense maths tuition is a bit of a recipe for disaster/pressure/disappointment. It's not about not wanting them to be better than the other kids, it's about letting them develop in their own time rather than being hothoused into being a mini-mummy or daddy...
MessAllOver · 26/12/2020 20:23

In all honesty, I would prefer my child to be above average academically so they don't struggle at school but no way near gifted. I am always surprised when parents push their children to be "gifted". Firstly, either they are or they aren't. Secondly, gifted children are so much hassle and often end up unhappy. I have seen too many "gifted" children struggle with the pressure put on them and also socially because they have difficulty relating to their peers.

Most of the successful people I have come across in life are not gifted as such but are very switched on and have excellent interpersonal skills. They often seem to be some of the happiest too.

Draineddraineddrained · 26/12/2020 20:25

I'll listen to anyone brag about the doings of their kids all day, because I know exactly how they feel - just amazed by our children, and everyone knows when you're in love like that you're not objective or impartial and it's fine Grin

What I can't bear is parents showing off about what they (because they have money mostly) are doing for or giving to their child. Because that does actually feel like bragging.

Like the mum I know (wonderful I'm every other respect, love her as a friend) who not only banged on about the privileges of the posh private school to which she was sending her daughter, but also harped on the advantages over public primary schools in general (knowing I was sending my DD to the local primary) and even went so far as to send me a link to the school's website to look at (she lives in another city so this wasn't for my information, it was literally showing off in the most literal sense).

I know her and I know she wouldn't have had a bad thought in her when doing this; but literally all it read to me was "I have a lot more money than you and I can give my child more than you can give yours".

She isn't a Brit so not sure if that plays into it; and as I say I assess her as a person overall and I know she doesn't mean anything bad by it. But still it makes me cringe, and it may be my Britishness that makes it so or it may just be a chip on my shoulder, who knows!

Also I know a lot of mums feel that way about breastfeeding mothers, and think they shouldn't mention it or do it in public as it "shames" mums who can't/don't. And I'm not comfortable with that view as a breastfeeding mum; so perhaps I am also guilty of a double standard.

Seems like there's almost no safe way to talk about our kids sometimes except to empathise when someone else is complaining about a difficulty (sleep, eating, cheekiness etc). It's all up for judgment!

iceywarm · 26/12/2020 20:28

Because the teacher probably thinks that the mathematician parent giving their primary age child intense maths tuition is a bit of a recipe for disaster/pressure/disappointment. It's not about not wanting them to be better than the other kids, it's about letting them develop in their own time rather than being hothoused into being a mini-mummy or daddy...

It isn't intense, it's high-level. Quite different! But like I say, the assumption is telling. If it were a musical family who all love music, or a sporty family that all love sports, then nobody would bat an eyelid. Maths is a passion and a talent that can be transmitted like any other. Teachers should not be discouraging any child's passion and talent, and they should definitely not be downplaying a child's ability because it's inconvenient to them. But it happens all the time.

(This is not my family btw, my child is years behind in maths!)

TatianaBis · 26/12/2020 20:30

Going to Oxbridge also isn't some cast iron proof of being amazingly clever - most of the kids who get interviewed could go there, and they go on to do well at other very good universities.

I’d agree with that. And you will note that nowhere in my post did I claim or even imply that Oxbridge is a gold standard of intelligence.

There are many different ways of being intelligent.

My point was that Oxbridge requires a particular skillset and also mindset really that can become obvious quite late as a student matures.

diamondpony80 · 26/12/2020 20:32

My son is probably oxbridge material academically but couldn’t care less and doesn’t even know if he wants to go to university. No one outside our closest family members knows that he got all A’s in his GCSEs and how many things he’s achieved over the years. I don’t know, I guess I don’t see it as that big a deal. He’s always been an A student and good at pretty much anything he turns his hand to. Maybe it’s because he doesn’t work at it - learning comes easy to him so he doesn’t put in any effort. I wonder would we be more inclined to brag if he’d achieved so much because he worked hard? I hate listening to other people boasting about their kids though so I don’t do it myself. I don’t think it’s very nice for another parent to hear your kid got A’s doing very little when maybe they got B’s or c’s and worked their asses off for it.

alreadytaken · 26/12/2020 20:33

Yes.

SnooperTrooper12345 · 26/12/2020 20:34

I don't really see the issue is a friend comes to me, no matter how many times to say their child has done something or achieved something. I think it's great that it's clearly something they're happy about.

It's a bit different if someone is saying "Oh your 1 year old can only say 4 words? Mine can say 40"

Ginfordinner · 26/12/2020 20:35

It has nothing to do with class, but social awareness IMO. DD outperformed her friends at GCSEand A level. It would have been crass and tactless to boast about it.

Hardbackwriter · 26/12/2020 20:36

Fair point, @TatianaBis, you didn't say that so sorry if it felt like I was criticising your post - it was more a general reaction to the way that Oxbridge is used interchangeably in a lot of threads like this with gifted rather than what you'd said. I don't think the vast majority of Oxbridge students meet the criteria for gifted if it's being used to mean genuinely extraordinary rather than in a 'top x% of their class' sense.

Hkyvvse · 26/12/2020 20:36

Definitely crass to flaunt children’s academic talents as an extension of how fabulous you are
I’m not plastering around SM how fabulous my puppy is with toilet training/recall as a look at me and how clever we all are as a family

roastedpudding · 26/12/2020 20:39

A friends child got into the local comprehensive, her mam posted a gushing comment in social media about how proud she was of her daughter's achievement in getting into a school based on where mummy and daddy had bought a house and filled a form in correctly, 8 can't quite see the achievement there.

Shimy · 26/12/2020 20:46

I think this thread shows that people’s definition of ‘bragging’ differs widely.

Abcdecat · 26/12/2020 20:50

I am not a parent but was a child kind of in this scenario, my mother never bragged or let on, if anything she downplayed mine and my brothers ‘intelligence’.

The middle class parents of some of my primary school classmates however did brag, x is so sporty, x is so clever, x is going to a grammar school. When I outperformed all of them at GCSE and A Level they were visibly shocked.

I’ve always found middle class parents to be obsessed with their children’s achievements, particularly middle class mothers, many of whom do not work and have relatively little achievements (just an observation, I do not want an argument). It’s almost like they live through their children.

My mother was a SAHM, but working class and not obsessed. She was also a second generation immigrant.

I am now a nurse, a career seemingly looked down upon by many middle class SAHMs, one of whom told my mother ‘so it doesn’t matter that she got better GCSEs and A Levels if that’s all she’s going to do for a living’. Luckily I don’t give a toss about others opinions, and think my mother in this respect has taken the right approach.

One of my friends was this clever, sporty, genius (according to her mother). She actually painfully struggled through primary, and I used to have to let her copy my spellings in the spelling test because she got so upset. Turns out she had dyslexia (diagnosed at16) and had been too scared to tell her parents her struggles. This kind of attitude puts a lot of pressure on children.

AnnaMagnani · 26/12/2020 20:50

I think the no bragging thing is a British thing and a social class thing.

I was once at a vair naice party talking to a student who told me he was no good at maths.

It turned out he was at Cambridge studying Engineering Shock

I think his and mine ideas of 'no good at maths' may have been different.

TatianaBis · 26/12/2020 20:50

@Hardbackwriter

I didn’t feel like you were criticising it and wouldn’t mind if you were, just thought I’d clarify.

JanewaysBun · 26/12/2020 20:51

It's aimed T making yourself feel better than others.
I have 1 who is average and 1 who seems a very advanced developer. Obvs go on about this to doting GPS but never mention it to my friends and they have no reason to care!

grassisjeweled · 26/12/2020 20:53

Always gets me that it's apparently only MN that's obsessed with class, they're not in real life : this statement is obviously not from working class people. It's from middle class people who are deluded. The UK is totally class centric.

TatianaBis · 26/12/2020 20:53

I'll listen to anyone brag about the doings of their kids all day, because I know exactly how they feel - just amazed by our children

I’m not sure I am amazed by my children. I’m amazed they seem to have survived our parenting thus far. I’m amazed at my eldest son’s laziness - he’s extremely bright yet extremely averse to putting effort into anything at all. I’m amazed how hard my middle son is on himself given his general aptitude and talents. And I’m amazed at my daughter’s relentless obsession with horses as they’ve always rather bored me. But amazed by them? I think they’re very normal kids, sometimes charming, sometimes a pia.

I don’t think hero-worshipping kids is healthy and it certainly doesn’t help them.

Piglet89 · 26/12/2020 20:53

The people pointing out they’ve been to Oxbridge and so Oxbridge is on the radar for their kids...but would never brag about it - in pointing out you went to Oxford or Cambridge, you’re bragging right now.