Celebrities daughters in their underwear

[StoneofDestiny]

AIBU to think it's sadly pathetic that so many daughters of celebrities think it's a necessary step in life to raise their 'fame' by posing in their underwear - Jonathan Ross's daughter Honey being the latest.

@Wheresmykimchi can you please quote some mocking comments?

And what "entitlement"? Entitlement to what?

@SebastianTheCrab

Oh and the idea of holding up the overprivileged, underworked offspring of Alaistair Campbell, Richard Curtis and Jonathan Ross as some kind of genuine activists when their platforms are purely because of their parents (Scarlett Curtis was literally given a column in St Style at the age of about 20 with almost no journalistic experience whatsoever) and their connections is truly laughable.

Jealousy.

Because as my post stated being clear with a child that they are going on a diet because they are fat and not simply discreetly improving their eating options and exercise level are very different things

Ask any fat adult who was a fat child once they wont say "I was a greedy little shit" - they will say "I started off as only slightly bigger than a sibling, and quickly got the message I needed to change, and felt rejected"

@SebastianTheCrab

And what "entitlement"? Entitlement to what?

To be able to discuss whether honey is or isn't obese, does or doesn't have learning needs, what she thinks she's worth...

Two words. Caroline Flack.

@ArsenicNLace

I must admit one of things I've found particularly depressing over lock is the number of women who have felt the need to have stripped off in their bedrooms and taken photos of themselves in their underwear (usually with a silly pouty face) to post on social media.

It always makes me think of the Kenny Everett character where he dressed as a woman then told a long convoluted story with the punchline, 'And all my clothes fell off' accompanied by a look of faux horror.

Yes I do think it's pathetic and sad and far from being anything to do with 'female empowerment'. I just think they must be too stupid to do anything else.

@SebastianTheCrab

@Kimakima

I think the very attention seeking need for validation from random members of the public that these girls need is very sad. I would not be impressed with my daughter posted semi naked pics on social media. No one seems to be able to do anything these days without needing validation. Giovanna can’t get through Christmas Day without posting her kids on Instagram, Laura Whitmore can’t be pregnant without posting pics of her naked bump, John Legend’s wife posted every minutiae of her miscarriage. So much over sharing, it’s ridiculous.

@SebastianTheCrab

Yes @Wheresmykimchi, in a democracy that upholds freedom of speech we are entitled to discuss people, particularly those who have notoriety and capitalize on it.

It is worrying that you think this freedom should be stifled depending on - what criteria exactly? Perhaps we shouldn't be allowed to discuss Boris and his hair either? Or Boris and his timekeeping? Or anyone?

@AmberItsACertainty

Also I've never really noticed male celebrities children doing Page3 type photos? It seems to always be females, like they reach a certain age and it's the next step, which makes me think of it being part of patriarchal society more than simple free choice. A sort of messed up invisible conversation where women collectively argue that they can do anything they want and men collectively challenge back for them to prove it and the women's messed up response is to take most of their clothes off.

Jonathan Ross is male...

There’s also a long thread running about “flashing” I.e. men exposing themselves in public. It has just occurred to me what an interesting time you would have explaining to an alien why men exposing private parts of their bodies in public for attention is generally criminalised or condemned in our society but encouraged and deemed empowering (and a useful source of free masturbatory images) when women do it, also in public, also for attention.

Neither of the posts you quote are mocking @Wheresmykimchi. One literally doesn't mention Honey and the other is an opinion that is disapproving but not mocking.

@SebastianTheCrab

Yes *@Wheresmykimchi*, in a democracy that upholds freedom of speech we are entitled to discuss people, particularly those who have notoriety and capitalize on it.

It is worrying that you think this freedom should be stifled depending on - what criteria exactly? Perhaps we shouldn't be allowed to discuss Boris and his hair either? Or Boris and his timekeeping? Or anyone?

Its worrying that you think your right to discuss an autistic, sexually abused womans weight trumps her right to pose as she likes, yeah.

Where did I say anything about it "trumping" her right to pose? She is entitled to do whatever she wants on social media - we're entitled to comment on it.

You ought to work on your reading comprehension.

@SebastianTheCrab

Neither of the posts you quote are mocking *@Wheresmykimchi*. One literally doesn't mention Honey and the other is an opinion that is disapproving but not mocking.

Aw OK. so calling women too stupid to do anything else and criticising Chrissy Teigen for talking about her miscarriage an Laura Whitmore for talking about her pregnancy after she desperately begged for people to stop with the bile after she lost her best friend is Ok..right -o

She is obese.
If you dont think shes obese your
perception is distorted by living in a society where most people are above a healthy weight and political correctness and 'body poitivity' have taken over.
Please expain to me as someone who has suffered from eating disorders and the health and social implications of that the difference between being dangerously underweight to being dangerously over weight?
The root cause is the same.
The difference is no one had anything positive to say about me or my body when I weighed 6 stone.
It was all suspition, envy, people telling me what to eat and making comments about my body that they would never dream of saying to a fat person.
Why on earth do any of us need or want to know what her body looks like?+
Its nothing special, shes the same as lots of young women her age, pretty face, overweight.
She needs to find a talent or a vocation.

@SebastianTheCrab

Where did I say anything about it "trumping" her right to pose? She is entitled to do whatever she wants on social media - we're entitled to comment on it.

You ought to work on your reading comprehension.

But she isn't entitled to do what she wants because you are criticising her! You ought to work on being so nasty about other people.

I didn't comment on whether or not the second post was "ok" - I said it wasn't mocking.

@Blubellsarebells

She is obese. If you dont think shes obese your perception is distorted by living in a society where most people are above a healthy weight and political correctness and 'body poitivity' have taken over. Please expain to me as someone who has suffered from eating disorders and the health and social implications of that the difference between being dangerously underweight to being dangerously over weight? The root cause is the same. The difference is no one had anything positive to say about me or my body when I weighed 6 stone. It was all suspition, envy, people telling me what to eat and making comments about my body that they would never dream of saying to a fat person. Why on earth do any of us need or want to know what her body looks like?+ Its nothing special, shes the same as lots of young women her age, pretty face, overweight. She needs to find a talent or a vocation.

She doesn't need to do anything.

@SebastianTheCrab

I didn't comment on whether or not the second post was "ok" - I said it wasn't mocking.

Word games are all well and good but its not a pleasant thread, is it?

@RickiTarr

There’s also a long thread running about “flashing” I.e. men exposing themselves in public. It has just occurred to me what an interesting time you would have explaining to an alien why men exposing private parts of their bodies in public for attention is generally criminalised or condemned in our society but encouraged and deemed empowering (and a useful source of free masturbatory images) when women do it, also in public, also for attention.

Men pose half naked in the media daily.

@SebastianTheCrab it is blindingly obvious that Honey is not NT, regardless of what you say about her choices. Nasty.

I think it's a really interesting thread examining nepotism and pornification of culture. Not everything has to be "naice". Sometimes, in order to dig deep into things, we must be able to say things that aren't nice. Fortunately we're still in a democracy for the time being so we're allowed to.

Btw, I don't think you're being very nice. So now what? Should you stop posting simply because it's my opinion you're not being nice?

Its worrying that you think your right to discuss an autistic, sexually abused womans weight trumps her right to pose as she likes, yeah

It shouldn’t be one or the other, though should it?

Some people on this thread have been needlessly rude and actually inaccurate about Honey.

OTOH, I think Honey & Others who think they are being empowering and empowered and just fuelling a pornified culture which has horrible consequences for less privileged, less protected young women.

There is definitely a debate to be had about ‘rights’.

Also, young women with dyslexia, aspergers, ADHD type issues often fail to recognise that our cognitive patterns make us vulnerable purely by dint of being a minority and not being able to see how NTs might be thinking. It takes experience before it gets any easier. It’s pretty normal for young people to feel invulnerable and be blind to their own weak spots. Everyone needs a community looking out for them.

It's that whole thing though isn't it? You're a 'someone' due to your parents fame/wealth. So you have 3 options; create a 'career' off the back of it, distance yourself as much as possible to gain something in your own right, or take whatever money they bestow and live your life quietly spending it. One parent being a 'Supermodel + one parent being a footballer/pop star', does not unfortunately guarantee 'model looks'. As so, so many celeb couple parents have demonstrated. It's not that their offspring is by any means unattractive, they're just 'average'. And let's face it the majority of the population is. I'm not saying it must suck to be born into wealth and privilege. But it must sting to feel you're of no consequence when the world fawns at your parents. So you then end up with a gen of kids desperate to 'be someone in their own right'... Even if that means you feel you need to show your arse/tits/penis for everyone to see 😳

@SebastianTheCrab

I think it's a really interesting thread examining nepotism and pornification of culture. Not everything has to be "naice". Sometimes, in order to dig deep into things, we must be able to say things that aren't nice. Fortunately we're still in a democracy for the time being so we're allowed to.

Btw, I don't think you're being very nice. So now what? Should you stop posting simply because it's my opinion you're not being nice?

I haven't been personal about someone with learning difficulties though have I? Yes we must say not nice things until a celebrity commits suicide or leaves the public eye at which point we are all#kind. .for a week.