Celebrities daughters in their underwear

[StoneofDestiny]

AIBU to think it's sadly pathetic that so many daughters of celebrities think it's a necessary step in life to raise their 'fame' by posing in their underwear - Jonathan Ross's daughter Honey being the latest.

@RickiTarr

Its worrying that you think your right to discuss an autistic, sexually abused womans weight trumps her right to pose as she likes, yeah

It shouldn’t be one or the other, though should it?

Some people on this thread have been needlessly rude and actually inaccurate about Honey.

OTOH, I think Honey & Others who think they are being empowering and empowered and just fuelling a pornified culture which has horrible consequences for less privileged, less protected young women.

There is definitely a debate to be had about ‘rights’.

Also, young women with dyslexia, aspergers, ADHD type issues often fail to recognise that our cognitive patterns make us vulnerable purely by dint of being a minority and not being able to see how NTs might be thinking. It takes experience before it gets any easier. It’s pretty normal for young people to feel invulnerable and be blind to their own weak spots. Everyone needs a community looking out for them.

Agreed

This thread needed some agreement.

It's very easy to say we have the right to comment on celebrities when you are a regular human who doesn't have to read this shit about themselves. Give the Jesy Nelson documentary a watch. These threads are full of people getting tons of sympathy for minor insults but you think it is appropriate to discuss people in this way because their father is a celebrity. Odd.

Of course she doesn't need to do anything.
Her dad is famous.
That's the only reason shes got an audience.
This country is overflowing with pretty fat girls.
Only one of them is in the papers today.
Its not because shes prettier or fatter than the next girl her age..its because her dad is famous.
She can do what she likes, id argue she could so something more constuctive than strutting in front of a camera in pants.
But if shes putting it out there she can't complain when people have an opinion.
That's the whole point surely?

@Catsup

It's that whole thing though isn't it? You're a 'someone' due to your parents fame/wealth. So you have 3 options; create a 'career' off the back of it, distance yourself as much as possible to gain something in your own right, or take whatever money they bestow and live your life quietly spending it. One parent being a 'Supermodel + one parent being a footballer/pop star', does not unfortunately guarantee 'model looks'. As so, so many celeb couple parents have demonstrated. It's not that their offspring is by any means unattractive, they're just 'average'. And let's face it the majority of the population is. I'm not saying it must suck to be born into wealth and privilege. But it must sting to feel you're of no consequence when the world fawns at your parents. So you then end up with a gen of kids desperate to 'be someone in their own right'... Even if that means you feel you need to show your arse/tits/penis for everyone to see 😳

I do think it's striking though, as someone mentioned upthread, that most of them have had the best educations (not to mention opportunities, contacts etc) and yet so few choose to become say, doctors or teachers or accountants.

I agree with another pp who said narcissist parents likely raise narcissistic children.

I've know a few celeb offspring and those that follow in their super successful parents' careers doom themselves to a lifetime of a) never emulating their success or b) the few that do reach or eclipse their parents' success (eg Kate Hudson) will never have the satisfaction of knowing whether they could have achieved it on their own.

I will say this though - almost everyone who is famous, even those who apparently have a discernible talent, got there via nepotism. Dig a little and they'll turn out to have a famous mum/dad/aunt/sibling.

Very very very few genuinely got there by themselves.

@Blubellsarebells

Of course she doesn't need to do anything. Her dad is famous. That's the only reason shes got an audience. This country is overflowing with pretty fat girls. Only one of them is in the papers today. Its not because shes prettier or fatter than the next girl her age..its because her dad is famous. She can do what she likes, id argue she could so something more constuctive than strutting in front of a camera in pants. But if shes putting it out there she can't complain when people have an opinion. That's the whole point surely?

Pretty fat girls

She's a girl with learning needs who has been sexually abused but yeh her dad's famous so she's fair game..

Sebastian so even the very talented Kate can't enjoy it because she will never know if she would have done it alone.

Great.

Let's just lock all famous peoples children up forever because they could never possibly earn your approval.

Ps I'd like to see yor evidence for narcissism ( bit of a leap ) being passed down.

Are we supposed to guess shes got learning needs it has been abused? Do the papers printing pictures of her give a shit?
Why are her famous wealthy parents not protecting her??

Its not so odd footballers sons signing up for clubs, theres often a strong talent gene there. Look how many brothers there are in football.

Is there somebody all these Love Island people all go to to get made to look the same? some sort of dull combination between Jenner and Emily Ratajkowski? i

I reminds me of Sophie Dahl becoming a massive hit as a model, and at the time everyone fawning over her 'positive plus size image'. And some bullshit press about a talent scout just 'happening across her'. Yeah right! My arse 😂... If she hadn't been a 'Dahl' she wouldn't have even been allowed to get near enough make cups tea.

@Blubellsarebells

Are we supposed to guess shes got learning needs it has been abused? Do the papers printing pictures of her give a shit? Why are her famous wealthy parents not protecting her??

I didn't know that but when I saw the thread about her I looked her up before I made any kind of comment because I'm not judgemental and I don't just spout stuff about people I don't know.

I don't know. That's not my concern either. But I stand by this in every shape or form - people putting themselves in the public eye are not therefore subject to whatever comments and discussion people want to have on a public forum. It matters. It has effects. Caroline Flack. Jesy Nelson. Stephanie Davis. We only worry about that when shit hits the fan but we dont think about when idly saying someone is fat, too stupid to do anything else and only has a purpose in life because of their father.

@user1471565182

Its not so odd footballers sons signing up for clubs, theres often a strong talent gene there. Look how many brothers there are in football.

Is there somebody all these Love Island people all go to to get made to look the same? some sort of dull combination between Jenner and Emily Ratajkowski? i

Yes , like Adam Thomas being in Emmerdale and on the jungle, Scott Thomas being on Love Island, I'm sure the fact they are Ryan Thomas' twin and brother had nothing to do with that. Or Bianca Gascoigne and Calum Best both being the offspring of footballers. Or Rita Symons being related to Alan Sugar. or your man Roman Kemp on the radio being Martin Kemp's son. or the many , many celebrities getting opportunies as a result of knowing someone in the "Inner circle" of ITV.

But they're men , and PPs reckon famous men don't use their status in this way to get representation for their families.

@Wheresmykimchi why on earth do you keep bringing up Caroline Flack? She was about to stand trial for domestic abuse after having smashed a lamp over her partner's head.

Yes, we have a right to comment on it and for the press to right about it just as they have the right to comment about anyone else standing trial for assault. Are you suggesting Caroline should have been given special treatment because she's a celebrity? Maybe OJ Simpson and Oscar Pistorious should have too - we shouldn't have reported or discussed either of their trials either because they're "faymus".

As to talent being passed on in footballers, it's impossible to know whether it's nature or nurture. If you're the son of a talented footballer it's likely you'll have more opportunity to hone your skill from an early age as opposed to say someone who grew up in a family completely uninterested in football.

And that's before you get to the connections - if daddy is signed to a club then obviously he's going to introduce you to scouts, agents etc. Same if you're the offspring of an A list actor (eg Kate Hudson). The point being there are many, many talented footballers/actors/singers etc out there that will never become famous because they don't have the family connections to get them in front of the people that can give them successful careers.

*write not right 🙄

Sebastian

I notice you didn't acknowledge that I also mentioned Jesy as many times, because that doesn't fit your narrative, but I'll bite.

Caroline absolutely was wrong but despite the evidence that the blood was HERS, that the woman needed help, idiots continued to post shit about her all over the media, run headlines, be "entitled to their opinion", and drove the poor girl to believing there was nowhere else to turn. Words hurt. What is an innocent collection of comments on a public forum is hurtful to someone else. that's what I mean by entitled - I'm entitled to my opinion and who cares if it hurts someone. The fact you are so flippant about someon's death says it all really. As long as you get your OPINION eh?

I'm not even biting to you comparing Caroline to Oscar but I'm sure even you can see that these things have consequences.

I didnt make the football comment so I'm not responding to that.But I notice you didn't acknowledge my comment about how rife this is in men as well as women.

I agree that there are talented people out there that dont get recognition - many talented singers that don't get on to the X factor but someone with connections does. BUt that absolutely does not give you the right to bash the ones that do, they are still humans! You uare coming across as very jealous, bitter and entitled. Why should Kate Hudson feel like shit her whole life because you and others like you have decided she's only there through her connections? They may be in the public eye but they are not your playthings , they are people.

You arnt going to last in football though if you are no good is my point. But if you have a famous dad or something and want to be a 'writer' (as Honey Ross is) what is there to find you lacking as dramatically as high level competitve sport can?

@user1471565182

You arnt going to last in football though if you are no good is my point. But if you have a famous dad or something and want to be a 'writer' (as Honey Ross is) what is there to find you lacking as dramatically as high level competitve sport can?

That's definitely true - same with music to a certain extent. I think the Beckhams had high hopes for Brooklyn and it quickly became clear he hadn't inherited his dad's prowess (@Wheresmykimchi or am I not allowed to write that either in case Brooklyn gets offended?)

I get the feeling that many posting on here about how its strange bizarre or to do with being famous are not keeping up with what thier own teenage daughters are doing with thier online time....

@user1471565182

You arnt going to last in football though if you are no good is my point. But if you have a famous dad or something and want to be a 'writer' (as Honey Ross is) what is there to find you lacking as dramatically as high level competitve sport can?

The rest of the writing team.

"people putting themselves in the public eye are not therefore subject to whatever comments and discussion people want to have on a public forum. It matters. It has effects"
Thats kind of the thing though, putting yourself out there, especially in underwear with no discernable talent is asking for comment.
Surely thats the point? Or why do it?.or are we only allowed to be nice?
Clicks make money.
I was nice, shes pretty.
But commenting on why young women do that, and the effect it has on society, needs addressing.
Im not saying it's right or ok.
But its what people do.
Ive never put myself out anywhere.
I was just living my ordinary, boring working class life, I still had to cope with people commenting on my body, what I eat, how much body hair I had.
I wasnt asking for comment. I was suffering from an eating disorder, that people are happy to comment about, to my face, or to my family in my earshot as if i wasn't there.
Im anorexic. Not deaf.
And I didn't have immense wealth and access to therapy, counceĺing or career advice.
I guess it just makes me sad that damaged young women are harming themselves and looking for validation in this way.

Sick of seeing Karen Brady's daughter, she looks desperate for attention and I do not know why.

I don't think honey herself has ever confirmed she does or doesn't have autism? it's only JR has said that he thinks one of his unnamed daughters has autism, so the armchair diagnosis's seem a bit off if that's the case.

The pictures are not the most flattering. With these social media types, I can imagine it's awful for their mental health. With the sun page 3 Jordan era you didn't have thousands of people commenting under each post, messaging you, being mean, being creepy etc, I can't imagine it's good for any of them and I find it depressing that it seems to be quite a well trodden route for celebrity daughters.

Maybe shes desperate for attention because mummy was always at work and she was brought up by nannies?
Where is this young womans father and wider family?
Kbs daughter i mean.
I dont know if that's why. But im guessing there's some things money cant cushion, and we all have the same basic needs deep down.
The difference is when I fuck my kid up by working 70hr weeks, or putting him on a diet, or controlling him within an inch of his life, or letting him run wild, or having a load of boyfriend's or a drug addiction;
Nobody gives a shit enough to write an article about it and plaster it all over the internet.

Come on, people like Wayne Rooney did not get anywhere due to nepotism, football is something that you have to actually be good at. Beckham’s sons obviously didn’t make the grade but I wouldn’t be surprised if girl Beckham ends up in pop. You don’t necessarily have to be talented to get on in that game.

Nobody is saying its always nepotism.
That would be stupid.
Just that it sometimes is.
I feel like nepotism has failed if all Honey Ross can do is get her arse out.
She must have some talent or interest that her parents could smooth the way for.
Or even she could persue off her own back.
Ive got no talents.
Im a hard worker and ive got friends, if any of them can help my kid get on I'll take the opportunity.